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Offline Chinagirl

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2013, 09:41:00 AM »
Can you back this claim up Luz??

I second that request.  I would like to see a source for that extraordinary claim.
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Offline Luz

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2013, 10:00:57 AM »
Can you back this claim up Luz??

Yes.

In 2002 a mother (Katherine Penny) abandoned a 3 months baby in the streets of Albufeira and was never extradited to Portugal to stand trial. [one of the articles: [urlhttp://diariodigital.sapo.pt/news.asp?id_news=31268][/url] ]

After Madeleine's case there was a drunk mother whose daughter was recovered in the streets of Albufeira, after being denounced to the authorities that recovered the child and put her in an Emergency Center. The woman was supposed to appear at the Court in Faro but she never did. She took a plane and was never sent back to attend a Court Trial.

Recently in 2012, a drunk couple left a 2 year old alone on the streets near Lisbon while they went to a bar. The police was called and took the child to an emergency center where she was bathed and fed. Once again they were not tried because the Brit authorities never returned them. [http://www.ptjornal.com/2012090710671/geral/sociedade/crianca-abandonada-por-pais-embriagados-esta-em-casa-de-acolhimento-de-emergencia.html

In the late nighties, I am unable to recover any link right now, a British citizen of Indian origin was condemned for murder. He was able to flee to Britain and while the PT authorities awaited for the UK to respond to an extradition request (we know how long it takes, in this case it was more than 2 years) he went to India with which Portugal has no extradition accord.

I could cite many more, but I have a bad memory for names and it makes it difficult to dig for links.

Offline Angelo222

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2013, 10:07:35 AM »
Luz.  You have claimed that sex offenders were sent to the Algarve and were supported there financially by the UK Government.  Is this yet another fallacy?

Before you answer can I point out that sex offenders are all registered in the UK and have to notify their whereabouts at all times.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2013, 10:09:43 AM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Luz

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #78 on: September 12, 2013, 10:40:48 AM »
Luz.  You have claimed that sex offenders were sent to the Algarve and were supported there financially by the UK Government.  Is this yet another fallacy?

Before you answer can I point out that sex offenders are all registered in the UK and have to notify their whereabouts at all times.

Those are the files that were sent by the Uk. Maybe you remember that the British authorities requested that Portugal didn't divulge certain documents when the case files had to be made public? Well, those sex offenders files were kept secret. I can't tell you how I know, but it is no secret now that this has been happening for decades.

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I didn't say they didn't notify the UK authorities about their whereabouts. In fact they were always in touch in order to receive their checks. Only the stupid portuguese authorities and population didn't know they were here.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2013, 10:48:06 AM by Luz »

Offline Chinagirl

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #79 on: September 12, 2013, 11:21:06 AM »
This is what Luz said in her original post:

did you know there were hundreds of convicts for sexual crimes sent by Britain to the Algarve, where they are being kept in rented apartments paid by the UK Government, and the Portuguese authorities were never notified?!

If a sex offender has served his sentence he is allowed to live wherever he chooses, provided he is on the sex offenders register and notifies the authorities of his address.  This is a far cry from being "sent by Britain to the Algarve."  I find it difficult to believe that the Portuguese authorities are not made aware of where these previous offenders live, and this is what Luz is asked to provide a source for (a) that Britain "sent" them to the Algarve, and (b) did not inform the Portuguese authorities of their whereabouts.

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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #80 on: September 12, 2013, 12:36:07 PM »
Let us not forget the gangs of british pensioners involved in illegal gambling and vice dens.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/24/britons-arrested-for-playing-bingo-in-portugal-3853414/

Offline Cudge

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #81 on: September 12, 2013, 01:37:07 PM »
This is what Luz said in her original post:

did you know there were hundreds of convicts for sexual crimes sent by Britain to the Algarve, where they are being kept in rented apartments paid by the UK Government, and the Portuguese authorities were never notified?!

If a sex offender has served his sentence he is allowed to live wherever he chooses, provided he is on the sex offenders register and notifies the authorities of his address.  This is a far cry from being "sent by Britain to the Algarve."  I find it difficult to believe that the Portuguese authorities are not made aware of where these previous offenders live, and this is what Luz is asked to provide a source for (a) that Britain "sent" them to the Algarve, and (b) did not inform the Portuguese authorities of their whereabouts.

Perhaps the Algarve is a new penal colony like Australia used to be and that's why they are sent there.

Offline south of the river

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #82 on: September 12, 2013, 01:50:19 PM »
If there are hundreds of sex offenders all living in the Algarve  were they all interviewed alibis checked ? I mean there  you go I would look at known offenders living in the vicinity - pretty standard stuff

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: So what is the latest state of play from Scotland Yard?
« Reply #83 on: September 12, 2013, 03:26:04 PM »
Got it in one Sherlock!!  @)(++(*

If Gonçalo manages to defend his theory in the Lisbon court it will not fair well for any abduction investigation.

Correct.

At the same time, if the McCanns win, demonstrating a level of dishonesty at the Portuguese end, it will not fare well for Anglo-Portuguese relations, jeopardizing Operation Grange.

Strange then, either way, that the McCanns would have been advised to press this matter in court at the very time SY was trying to close in... or, to put it the other way around, strange that SY would choose such a sensitive time to petition to the Portuguese authorities to come to Portugal to complete their work.

How do we explain this?