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Offline John

The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« on: August 11, 2013, 02:28:25 AM »
The question of what exactly constitutes 'searching for Madeleine' has come up several times in numerous threads.

Some members feel that the only way to do this is to have a presence in the country from where she disappeared while others support the policy of simply keeping Madeleine's picture in the media.

What do you think?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2013, 03:13:28 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2013, 02:26:39 PM »
her parents are still looking for her because she could be alive.


Isn't the use of active "look for" slightly misleading ? Why don't you just say "still hope she's alive and will be found" ?

Offline Luz

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2013, 09:09:39 AM »
Isn't the use of active "look for" slightly misleading ? Why don't you just say "still hope she's alive and will be found" ?

You are right Anne, looking for her is what the parents never did.
They looked for money, and still do today at this Lisbon Court, they looked for fame, they looked for recognition,...but they never raised their butts to look for HER.

Bless you poor little Madeleine.

Offline Angelo222

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2013, 09:32:17 AM »
You are right Anne, looking for her is what the parents never did.
They looked for money, and still do today at this Lisbon Court, they looked for fame, they looked for recognition,...but they never raised their butts to look for HER.

Bless you poor little Madeleine.

Maybe Kate will search for her now that she has returned to Portugal. 
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

stephen25000

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Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2013, 09:35:32 AM »
Maybe Kate will search for her now that she has returned to Portugal.

Remember Mr. Edgar's view............................

'A little lawless village 10 miles from PDL'

Offline Benice

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2013, 09:42:16 AM »
You are right Anne, looking for her is what the parents never did.
They looked for money, and still do today at this Lisbon Court, they looked for fame, they looked for recognition,...but they never raised their butts to look for HER.

Bless you poor little Madeleine.

Why is it so difficult to understand that physical searching is not the only way of searching for a missing child.  In fact when there is a strong possibility that the child may have already been removed from the country from where they were abducted - physical searching is probably the least productive, and most wasteful use of time and money.     

All the experts agree that keeping Madeleine's profile as high as possible, for as long as possible, in the public's mind was the best way to go to give her the best possible chance of being found  - and that is exactly what the McCanns have done.   Why do you think they were so wrong to follow that advice?       


Quote from Emma Loach:-

We followed the McCanns as they spoke to experts in London, Brussels and Washington about the mechanics of child-rescue alerts. After each meeting in America, the couple were visibly buoyed. First there was Ed Smart, father of Elizabeth Smart. Six years ago Elizabeth – then 14 – had been snatched from her bed. Her family had then worked tirelessly to keep her photograph in the papers and her story in the news. And for them it paid off: nine months later a passer-by spotted her with her abductor in the street. She was reunited with her family a living and breathing vindication of the tactic of keeping press attention high – for which the McCanns themselves have been criticised.
End quote

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Luz

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2013, 10:18:59 AM »


Why is it so difficult to understand that physical searching is not the only way of searching for a missing child.  In fact when there is a strong possibility that the child may have already been removed from the country from where they were abducted - physical searching is probably the least productive, and most wasteful use of time and money.     

All the experts agree that keeping Madeleine's profile as high as possible, for as long as possible, in the public's mind was the best way to go to give her the best possible chance of being found  - and that is exactly what the McCanns have done.   Why do you think they were so wrong to follow that advice?       


Quote from Emma Loach:-

We followed the McCanns as they spoke to experts in London, Brussels and Washington about the mechanics of child-rescue alerts. After each meeting in America, the couple were visibly buoyed. First there was Ed Smart, father of Elizabeth Smart. Six years ago Elizabeth – then 14 – had been snatched from her bed. Her family had then worked tirelessly to keep her photograph in the papers and her story in the news. And for them it paid off: nine months later a passer-by spotted her with her abductor in the street. She was reunited with her family a living and breathing vindication of the tactic of keeping press attention high – for which the McCanns themselves have been criticised.
End quote

First. If you find that your child is missing just little over half an hour after your husband alleges to have seen her in bed, you don't try to find her?!
I guess not. You'll rather phone your friends and family thousands of miles away to get the news on the papers.
Incredible prescient thinking.
Even though you allege to have left doors open you refuse to think that your child could have gone out and don't go looking for her. Of course not. Because you knew straight away that "they had taken her" - I wonder who were they!

Second. Physical search is the least productive way to look because you know you are not going to find her, because you know what you have done to her.

Third. The experts advise you not to reveal details about the child that may put her in danger of getting killed and disposed of. Gerry McCann admitted he knew it, yet decided to expose his child to danger because "it was a good MARKETING ploy" (Vanity Fair interview), not because it gave them a chance to recover her.

And last. We all know the polemic around Elizabeth Smart alleged kidnapping. Maybe when Mormons are not so strong in the legal system of Utah we learn a lot more about that case.

What I know is that even when it is a cat or a dog that gets lost, people tend to PHYSICALLY look for it, and not go to the phone or, as in the after weeks/months just take a private jet to get farther away from where there were allegations that the child had been seen.

Offline Benice

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2013, 10:30:56 AM »
First. If you find that your child is missing just little over half an hour after your husband alleges to have seen her in bed, you don't try to find her?!
I guess not. You'll rather phone your friends and family thousands of miles away to get the news on the papers.
Incredible prescient thinking.
Even though you allege to have left doors open you refuse to think that your child could have gone out and don't go looking for her. Of course not. Because you knew straight away that "they had taken her" - I wonder who were they!

Second. Physical search is the least productive way to look because you know you are not going to find her, because you know what you have done to her.

Third. The experts advise you not to reveal details about the child that may put her in danger of getting killed and disposed of. Gerry McCann admitted he knew it, yet decided to expose his child to danger because "it was a good MARKETING ploy" (Vanity Fair interview), not because it gave them a chance to recover her.

And last. We all know the polemic around Elizabeth Smart alleged kidnapping. Maybe when Mormons are not so strong in the legal system of Utah we learn a lot more about that case.

What I know is that even when it is a cat or a dog that gets lost, people tend to PHYSICALLY look for it, and not go to the phone or, as in the after weeks/months just take a private jet to get farther away from where there were allegations that the child had been seen.

I have to go out now - so haven't got time to answer apart from saying there is plenty of evidence that the McCanns did search for Madeleine immediately after she disappeared - you just choose to ignore it.    They spent the following day at the Police Station and when they returned there were hundreds of reporters waiting for them.     Anyone who thinks they could have gone out searching once that was the position is not thinking clearly IMO.

IIRC the PJ put out a description of Madeleine on the 5th May, in which they mentioned her eye defect.

If you read my first sentence again you will see how the word 'THEY' is used when the sex of the person is not known.  It's a perfectly normal way of speaking -  there is nothing sinister in it at all.






The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Luz

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2013, 10:36:01 AM »
I have to go out now - so haven't got time to answer apart from saying there is plenty of evidence that the McCanns did search for Madeleine immediately after she disappeared - you just choose to ignore it.    They spent the following day at the Police Station and when they returned there were hundreds of reporters waiting for them.     Anyone who thinks they could have gone out searching once that was the position is not thinking clearly IMO.

IIRC the PJ put out a description of Madeleine on the 5th May, in which they mentioned her eye defect.

If you read my first sentence again you will see how the word 'THEY' is used when the sex of the person is not known.  It's a perfectly normal way of speaking -  there is nothing sinister in it at all.

You weren't here, so you didn't see how much they didn't look. Going around the pool, as Gerald did to disguise, is not searching. Why didn't they follow the groups that were all over the village most of the nigh and chose to get out of the apartment at around 5:30, (* after a good nights sleep, unlike the searchers) in the morning to go towards the beach passing by the church?

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« Last Edit: September 12, 2013, 10:39:33 PM by Luz »

Offline John

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2013, 03:14:41 PM »
New thread...what does searching for Madeleine mean for you?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

stephen25000

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Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2013, 03:18:06 PM »
In the Mccanns case......................

'The Search for more Money'.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2013, 03:28:12 PM by stephen25000 »

Offline Angelo222

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2013, 04:31:09 PM »
If Madeleine is still alive and if she is able to read all about the case some day she will be disgusted to find out just how little real searching her beloved parents did for her.  They are an insult to parenthood imo.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline John

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2013, 04:32:46 PM »
If Madeleine is still alive and if she is able to read all about the case some day she will be disgusted to find out just how little real searching her beloved parents did for her.  They are an insult to parenthood imo.

Could it be that they know something the rest of us don't?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Redblossom

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Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2013, 05:46:22 PM »
In the Mccanns case......................

'The Search for more Money'.

Income generation was certainly on the agenda just over a month after Madeleine disappeared

With over a million in the bank at the time, donated to help the search, the Mccanns launched their online store selling tshirts posters and wristbands...

@Angelo, we all know the chances of that happening!

@John, isnt that the  64 million dollar question?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2013, 07:03:07 PM by Redblossom »

Offline John

Re: The 'searching' issue and what does it really mean.
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2013, 10:01:41 PM »
According to a Report in the Mirror today, Susan Hubbard, a family friend and the wife of their priest, said instead of searching for Madeleine, the couple have had to use all their energy to defend themselves.

So can we assume by this that the searching claim has always been a non starter?

ps.  they got the Susans mixed up!


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-libel-trial-madeleines-mum-2269479
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.