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Offline Angelo222

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #135 on: November 03, 2016, 09:50:15 AM »
What would you suggest the appropriate  charge might be ?
Was this a private advert board set up on behalf of the McCanns or a police advert?
It's easy to get emotive, but was a criminal act involved?
Do police usually get involved in defacement of hoardings etc ?

Criminal damage is universally recognised in any language.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #136 on: November 03, 2016, 10:00:38 AM »
It would indeed add insult to injury if the parents were universally acknowledged as completely innocent, but they aren't. Hence the vandalism. It doesn't make the vandalism right, but it makes it understandable.

What is understandable is that there are mindless hooligans running around PdL damaging posters and daubing graffiti on traffic signs and the police have failed to stop it.
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stephen25000

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Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #137 on: November 03, 2016, 11:05:04 AM »
What is understandable is that there are mindless hooligans running around PdL damaging posters and daubing graffiti on traffic signs and the police have failed to stop it.


....and what happens all around the world Angelo.

Hardly unique to Portugal.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #138 on: November 03, 2016, 11:18:24 AM »

....and what happens all around the world Angelo.

Hardly unique to Portugal.

Can you cite any other missing child poster which has attracted such hate or is this case unique after all?
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ferryman

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Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #139 on: November 03, 2016, 11:34:27 AM »
What is understandable is that there are mindless hooligans running around PdL damaging posters and daubing graffiti on traffic signs and the police have failed to stop it.

Did you mean, what is understandable?

Or is not? (understandable!)

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #140 on: November 03, 2016, 12:53:26 PM »
What is understandable is that there are mindless hooligans running around PdL damaging posters and daubing graffiti on traffic signs and the police have failed to stop it.

This is true. In my younger days along with about 90% of the juvenile male population of the time we shot at signs and hoardings with catapults, air rifles and air pistols.
Not that long ago in SA along the road from Jo'burg to Pilanesburg the signs and hoardings were shot at with rifles and hand guns and if there was an animal slihouette on said sign or hoarding it looked it like a colander in short time.
A sign or hoarding is a target one way or another. The question here is the motivation. Prove it was due to malice against the McCanns .......... &%+((£
« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 01:03:36 PM by Alice Purjorick »
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #141 on: November 03, 2016, 01:04:25 PM »
This is true. In my younger days along with about 90% of the juvenile male population of the time we shot at signs and hoardings with catapults, air rifles and air pistols.
Not that long ago in SA along the road from Jo'burg to Pilanesburg the signs and hoardings were shot at with rifles and hand guns and if there was an animal slihouette on said sign or hoarding it looked it like a colander in short time.
A sign or hoarding is a target one way or another. The question here is the motivation. Prove it was due to malice against the McCanns .......... &%+((£

Is daubing "mcann circus" on traffic signs not somewhat self evidencing?
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stephen25000

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Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #142 on: November 03, 2016, 02:02:48 PM »
Can you cite any other missing child poster which has attracted such hate or is this case unique after all?

It's not hatred of Madeleine.

More loathing and dislike for her parenylts Angelo

After all, their actions initiated this case.

Likewise the UK tabloid press which has frequently insulted the Portuguese bears responsibility as well.

Offline Brietta

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #143 on: November 03, 2016, 02:12:42 PM »
Here's a thought.

If a Portuguese child had gone missing in the UK on holiday, would :

1. The case still be in the news ?

2. Would posters still be up after nearly 10 years ?

3. Have posters on billboards never , ever been vandalized before ?

4. It isn't Madeleine, the people who did the vandalizing are angry with, it's her PARENTS.

Defacing posters publicising a missing child really is the lowest of the low. The defaced image of Madeleine John posted was from 2009.

In the hypothetical scenario you suggest, I doubt very much if it would have been necessary for the parents of the missing child to employ private detectives to pursue their own investigation into their missing child's case.

The police would have attended to each aspect of the child's disappearance in exactly the same manner in which all cases of missing children are dealt with, obviating the requirement for the victim's family to devise their own strategy.

On those occasions when police investigations are unsuccessful absolutely no-one faults the families for keeping the case alive.  In Keith Bennett's case all his mother wanted was for his body to be found so that she could bury him properly ... no-one castigated her for that, nor would they.
Why are the McCanns castigated for trying to find their daughter who may well be alive ... why are there campaigns to stop them from looking?
Weather-beaten memorial to Moors-murder victim Keith Bennett at Wessenden Head, West Yorkshire

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #144 on: November 03, 2016, 03:16:11 PM »
Is daubing "mcann circus" on traffic signs not somewhat self evidencing?

That much of it is.
But I would suggest all defacing of all signs isn't.
Most folk find what they are they looking for and bother not about looking further.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #145 on: November 03, 2016, 03:41:16 PM »
It's not hatred of Madeleine.

More loathing and dislike for her parenylts Angelo

After all, their actions initiated this case.

Likewise the UK tabloid press which has frequently insulted the Portuguese bears responsibility as well.

So you justify the defacing of posters trying to find information about maddies disappearance
That just about sums up the morality of the sceptics

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #146 on: November 03, 2016, 05:17:53 PM »
One of the linked topics points to this story in the UK media http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-465825/Madeleine-cinema-advert-upsets-Shrek-audiences.html

In July 2007, Shrek 3 opened, deemed suitable for those aged 4 and over.  (Does such a film category exist?)

In front of it, there was a 90s advert, which stated that Madeleine had been snatched.

UK parents complained that this was upsetting for their children, making them fear they could be snatched too.

So the advert was removed from the front of Shrek 3, though it remained on other films.

What I find odd is the imbalance.  That UK children are to be protected from Madeleine, with no public outcry, yet it is OK to flood Luz with the same concept two years on, and all in Luz are supposed to accept it.

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What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #147 on: November 03, 2016, 05:23:44 PM »
One of the linked topics points to this story in the UK media http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-465825/Madeleine-cinema-advert-upsets-Shrek-audiences.html

In July 2007, Shrek 3 opened, deemed suitable for those aged 4 and over.  (Does such a film category exist?)

In front of it, there was a 90s advert, which stated that Madeleine had been snatched.

UK parents complained that this was upsetting for their children, making them fear they could be snatched too.

So the advert was removed from the front of Shrek 3, though it remained on other films.

What I find odd is the imbalance.  That UK children are to be protected from Madeleine, with no public outcry, yet it is OK to flood Luz with the same concept two years on, and all in Luz are supposed to accept it.

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You find it odd because of your preconceived viewpoint

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #148 on: November 03, 2016, 05:24:52 PM »
Defacing posters publicising a missing child really is the lowest of the low. The defaced image of Madeleine John posted was from 2009.

In the hypothetical scenario you suggest, I doubt very much if it would have been necessary for the parents of the missing child to employ private detectives to pursue their own investigation into their missing child's case.

The police would have attended to each aspect of the child's disappearance in exactly the same manner in which all cases of missing children are dealt with, obviating the requirement for the victim's family to devise their own strategy.

On those occasions when police investigations are unsuccessful absolutely no-one faults the families for keeping the case alive.  In Keith Bennett's case all his mother wanted was for his body to be found so that she could bury him properly ... no-one castigated her for that, nor would they.
Why are the McCanns castigated for trying to find their daughter who may well be alive ... why are there campaigns to stop them from looking?
Weather-beaten memorial to Moors-murder victim Keith Bennett at Wessenden Head, West Yorkshire

Two, but not limited to two, possiblities here :
1.You don't see the difference.
2.You do see the difference but think everyone else is too kin thick to.
Faites vos jeux.
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Offline misty

Re: Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.
« Reply #149 on: November 03, 2016, 05:31:06 PM »
One of the linked topics points to this story in the UK media http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-465825/Madeleine-cinema-advert-upsets-Shrek-audiences.html

In July 2007, Shrek 3 opened, deemed suitable for those aged 4 and over.  (Does such a film category exist?)

In front of it, there was a 90s advert, which stated that Madeleine had been snatched.

UK parents complained that this was upsetting for their children, making them fear they could be snatched too.

So the advert was removed from the front of Shrek 3, though it remained on other films.

What I find odd is the imbalance.  That UK children are to be protected from Madeleine, with no public outcry, yet it is OK to flood Luz with the same concept two years on, and all in Luz are supposed to accept it.

 8()-000(

A picture of a child on a poster or billboard will barely attract the passing attention of those who can barely read the displayed words.
 An audio narrative shown in conjunction with pictures on a large cinema screen has a much greater impact.