Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.

[sadie]

Were they gone by then or only notified that day?  Rather odd timing I admit   £5%4%

It was said that they were all kitted out in new uniforms ... am no longer sure if they were OC or MW uniforms, but I think the former. 

And in those uniforms they gathered to shout at and heckle Gerry ... on the very day that the filming started.

[Mr Gray]

I don't think 4 visitors per year now is making any significant difference.

The Ocean Club and OC staff suffered, as the media repeatedly point out it happened there.  But the media don't stay at the OC, even if they are staying in Luz.  I don't know where OG stayed.  No swings or roundabouts.

May I ask you why the McCanns couldn't foresee it?  Did they think they were popular in Luz in particular or Portugal in general?  Did they do any image building in either?

The McCanns cannot simultaneously be intelligent as doctors but unintelligent as to the feelings of the locals.  The truth is in the documentary.  They knew and they didn't care.

Resentment about one of their own?  I have not heard a single word of resentment towards Madeleine, not one.  It is the attitude and actions of the parents that attract resentment.

And if someone from Luz had lost a child in similar circumstances, then returned to England to economic comfort while Luz rotted, would that person be popular for saturating Luz with posters and leaflets 2 years on?  I think the most likely emotion would be resentment.

The posters were dumb.  The response was predictable.

What is interesting is how anti McCann you are after initially claiming to be neutral

[sadie]

What is interesting is how anti McCann you are after initially claiming to be neutral

I am noticing exactly the same davel.

And it has shocked me.

[sadie]

Someone on this thread was asking for proof of other "Help find Madeleine" posters being defaced in PdL

I tried searching for it on the internet and all images have vanished  .... and yet I only saw one of them in the past couple of weeks.

However, I have finally found one

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/ScuK-sHQvnI/AAAAAAAAEQ4/7xuHwiSO-TY/s400/torn.jpg


I found it on here !

[Alice Purjorick]

"Bill Posters Will Be Prosecuted" herald the signs.
That is a miscarriage of justice because Bill Posters is, as everyone knows, innocent of the crime, it being the dastardly Bill Stickers who is the guilty party.

[Brietta]

The global recession worked in more ways than one ... the people from "these dark Satanic Mills" lost their jobs and couldn't afford to visit tourist areas which may have resulted in the people from these areas losing their jobs in turn.

These events coincided with a high level of crime associated with the Algarve ...

Martin Brunt reports
Police statistics for the Algarve coast show that crime has been falling steadily since the high levels of 2008.

At that time a wave of burglaries provided rich pickings for companies selling burglar alarms to well-heeled owners of the luxury villas built around the big resorts of estates such Vilamoura.
http://news.sky.com/story/algarve-residents-worry-despite-crime-drop-10345481

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In the latest violent attacks on tourists, two British men were admitted to hospital after they were mugged in Albufeira on June 24 and, the day after, two Irish women were assaulted on the way back to their hotel in Praia da Rocha.

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“We have spoken with the former Minister of Internal Affairs, Rui Pereira, about this matter and are hoping that the new Government recognises that the crime problems we have in the region can only be resolved with more policemen. Tourism, which is essential for the Algarve, will unquestionably be affect by rising crime. It’s imperative that tourists feel and are safe.”

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And Albufeira Mayor Desidério Silva is concerned that rising crime in Albufeira is “undermining the image of tourism in the region”.

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Portimão Mayor Manuel da Luz, meanwhile, has called for the installation of CCTV surveillance in the bars area of Praia da Rocha and the downtown area of Portimão in order to detect criminals.

“Crime occurrences are increasing and we need to implement CCTV surveillance in the busiest areas of Portimão council,” he said.

The subject of CCTV surveillance being installed in popular tourist areas of the Algarve is currently under discussion.
ines.lopes@theresidentgroup.com
https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/and-so-the-economic-climate-is-the-mccanns-fault/

Madeleine McCann is also a victim of crime as were the other British children who were assaulted in their beds with their parents asleep in the next room.
It gives me a really bad feeling to know that what happened to these children has been derided by some and swept under the carpet by others in an exercise it seems not to protect the children who were assaulted and those who would be assaulted, but to 'protect' the tourist industry.
The obvious way to do that would have been to do everything possible to catch the perpetrator thus protecting industry and children in one go.

[G-Unit]

The global recession worked in more ways than one ... the people from "these dark Satanic Mills" lost their jobs and couldn't afford to visit tourist areas which may have resulted in the people from these areas losing their jobs in turn.

These events coincided with a high level of crime associated with the Algarve ...

Martin Brunt reports
Police statistics for the Algarve coast show that crime has been falling steadily since the high levels of 2008.

At that time a wave of burglaries provided rich pickings for companies selling burglar alarms to well-heeled owners of the luxury villas built around the big resorts of estates such Vilamoura.
http://news.sky.com/story/algarve-residents-worry-despite-crime-drop-10345481

Snip
In the latest violent attacks on tourists, two British men were admitted to hospital after they were mugged in Albufeira on June 24 and, the day after, two Irish women were assaulted on the way back to their hotel in Praia da Rocha.

Snip
“We have spoken with the former Minister of Internal Affairs, Rui Pereira, about this matter and are hoping that the new Government recognises that the crime problems we have in the region can only be resolved with more policemen. Tourism, which is essential for the Algarve, will unquestionably be affect by rising crime. It’s imperative that tourists feel and are safe.”

Snip
And Albufeira Mayor Desidério Silva is concerned that rising crime in Albufeira is “undermining the image of tourism in the region”.

Snip
Portimão Mayor Manuel da Luz, meanwhile, has called for the installation of CCTV surveillance in the bars area of Praia da Rocha and the downtown area of Portimão in order to detect criminals.

“Crime occurrences are increasing and we need to implement CCTV surveillance in the busiest areas of Portimão council,” he said.

The subject of CCTV surveillance being installed in popular tourist areas of the Algarve is currently under discussion.
ines.lopes@theresidentgroup.com
https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/and-so-the-economic-climate-is-the-mccanns-fault/

Madeleine McCann is also a victim of crime as were the other British children who were assaulted in their beds with their parents asleep in the next room.
It gives me a really bad feeling to know that what happened to these children has been derided by some and swept under the carpet by others in an exercise it seems not to protect the children who were assaulted and those who would be assaulted, but to 'protect' the tourist industry.
The obvious way to do that would have been to do everything possible to catch the perpetrator thus protecting industry and children in one go.

A quaint expression, but no-one was working in "these dark Satanic Mills" in the 21st Century, They were gone 30 years before the millenium.

[ShiningInLuz]

Someone on this thread was asking for proof of other "Help find Madeleine" posters being defaced in PdL

I tried searching for it on the internet and all images have vanished  .... and yet I only saw one of them in the past couple of weeks.

However, I have finally found one

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/ScuK-sHQvnI/AAAAAAAAEQ4/7xuHwiSO-TY/s400/torn.jpg


I found it on here !

The issue was not 'were other posters defaced', because all the evidence points to other posters being defaced.  That is not in question.

The issue was 'was it intended to prevent communication?'  The defaced poster you have put here quite clearly has the contact details intact, so it is not an attempt to prevent communication.

It is intended to express the feelings of the defacer towards the McCann parents.

Whether you like that message or agree with the method of sending it is not the issue.  The reality is that by April 2009 at least some of the people of Luz had turned against the McCann parents.

[ShiningInLuz]

I am noticing exactly the same davel.

And it has shocked me.

To be honest, I find this line of thought both offensive and unintelligent.

Those supporting it appear to think it was perfectly OK for the McCanns to alienate Luz.

Alienating Luz lowered the chances of finding out what happened to Madeleine.

Silvia Batista and husband Joao had both worked at the OC for around 20 years.  Both got made redundant.  So what do the McCannites think?  After their family life got wrecked, did Silvia think it was fine to get hauled to Faro by OG in Dec 14?  Did she enter that process neutral?  Did she give her all for Madeleine?

The issue I have with this thread is McCann supporters unthinkingly accepting everything the McCann parents did as good, when an audit trail reveals a litany of errors.

[slartibartfast]

I am noticing exactly the same davel.

And it has shocked me.

Maybe being attacked by supporters has that effect?

[stephen25000]

Maybe being attacked by supporters has that effect?

They are unable to perceive their opinions are 1-dimensional on this case.

[Lace]

Do parents put up billboard posters of 'snatched' children in your town?  In Luz, the livelihood is tourism.  What is it in yours?

I would imagine if a child had been snatched from Sadie's town,  then most definitely posters would have been up, as they would in any town.

Are you forgetting Portugal was facing a recession at the time?

[Mr Gray]

The hatred towards the McCanns by the Portuguese started at the arguido interviews long before any so called redundancies
Any uk citizen seeing the vile behaviour of the Portuguese lynch mob may well have felt it wise to give PDL a wide berth
That's far more likely to have been responsible for the decision by some to stay away from PDL
What a vile lot the Portuguese crowd looked

[Benice]

I don't think 4 visitors per year now is making any significant difference.

The Ocean Club and OC staff suffered, as the media repeatedly point out it happened there.  But the media don't stay at the OC, even if they are staying in Luz.  I don't know where OG stayed.  No swings or roundabouts.

May I ask you why the McCanns couldn't foresee it?  Did they think they were popular in Luz in particular or Portugal in general?  Did they do any image building in either?

The McCanns cannot simultaneously be intelligent as doctors but unintelligent as to the feelings of the locals.  The truth is in the documentary.  They knew and they didn't care.

Resentment about one of their own?  I have not heard a single word of resentment towards Madeleine, not one.  It is the attitude and actions of the parents that attract resentment.

And if someone from Luz had lost a child in similar circumstances, then returned to England to economic comfort while Luz rotted, would that person be popular for saturating Luz with posters and leaflets 2 years on?  I think the most likely emotion would be resentment.

The posters were dumb.  The response was predictable.

How can you know how many people who are interested in the McCann case go to PdL each year?

The McCanns have had loads of support from the locals, any suggestion that every one of them has since turned their backs on them can only be speculation.

You say the McCanns were dumb to put up posters.       IMO  the hostility openly displayed by some locals by vandalising posters and daubing walls and signs is counter-productive from the POV of the tourist industry.     As a UK citizen I for one would not like to visit a a place where the intention of the locals towards the parents of a UK  missing child is publicly 'advertised'  to be as unhelpful to them as possible, to daub the place with insults, and to tell them to go away.   

What sort of welcoming,caring signal does that send out to potential tourists?

[stephen25000]

How can you know how many people who are interested in the McCann case go to PdL each year?

The McCanns have had loads of support from the locals, any suggestion that every one of them has since turned their backs on them can only be speculation.

You say the McCanns were dumb to put up posters.       IMO  the hostility openly displayed by some locals by vandalising posters and daubing walls and signs is counter-productive from the POV of the tourist industry.     As a UK citizen I for one would not like to visit a a place where the intention of the locals towards the parents of a UK  missing child is publicly 'advertised'  to be as unhelpful to them as possible, to daub the place with insults, and to tell them to go away.   

What sort of welcoming,caring signal does that send out to potential tourists?

Another bland and meaningless statement.

'.....the McCanns have had loads of support from the locals,...'

You can provide evidence, for this 'loads of support' ?