Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters.

[Brietta]

I find your post arrogant. 'We' don't have a missing child, the McCanns do. The investigation into her disappearance is the job of the Portuguese authorities. It always was and it remains so.

The McCanns chose to carry out their own investigation almost from the beginning, but their efforts have precedence only in their minds, no-one else's. Their belief that the everyone in the world should put the investigation into their daughter's disappearance before their own concerns is understandable, but not realistic.

Are you saying that if a child disappears while on holiday abroad they aren't worth the bother of being looked for?

[Mr Gray]

I find your post arrogant. 'We' don't have a missing child, the McCanns do. The investigation into her disappearance is the job of the Portuguese authorities. It always was and it remains so.

The McCanns chose to carry out their own investigation almost from the beginning, but their efforts have precedence only in their minds, no-one else's. Their belief that the everyone in the world should put the investigation into their daughter's disappearance before their own concerns is understandable, but not realistic.

We do have missing child
It is societies responsibility to investigate her disappearance
you may find my post arrogant but in the light of the fact that almost every post by sil insults other posters it's quite reasonable

[G-Unit]

Are you saying that if a child disappears while on holiday abroad they aren't worth the bother of being looked for?

I have read my post again and cannot see the opinion you mention expressed there, so my answer is no.

[Brietta]

The thread topic is Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters. is there any chance that members could try to fit discussion of that into the conversation?  Please stay on topic.  Thank You

[Mr Gray]

I have sympathy for those who were no longer employed by MW but it pales into insignificance compared to the loss of a child....can you really not see something so obvious

[jassi]

I have sympathy for those who were no longer employed by MW but it pales into insignificance compared to the loss of a child....can you really not see something so obvious

That is purely your opinion. I'm sure other might think differently.

[Mr Gray]

Interesting that some posters here see the loss of a job to be at a similar level to the loss of a child
It certainly explains a hell of a lot

[misty]

Luz, like many other towns & villages on the Algarve, realised a few decades ago that tourism was the way forward for the area to flourish. I wonder how many of the fisherman & farmers who, having contributed much to the region for years, lost their jobs & land to make way for surfing schools & hotel developments? The tourist industry is of prime importance to the region and, like the Spanish & Greeks, the locals have to swallow the rough with the smooth if they wish to keep the money pouring in. If 30 jobs at OC were the only collateral damage to Luz following Madeleine's disappearance, then imo the area escaped quite lightly. I think we'd all be interested to know if there were any other job losses in the village as a direct result of May 2007.
One of the first accusations levelled at the Tapas 9 was that they were swingers. Did that accusation demonstrate Luz's reputation, as perceived by its own country's police force, was not in keeping with the widely-promoted family-friendly holiday destination? Rather than welcoming the continued investigation into the disappearance of a child from their midst, you are suggesting that the locals have every right to be obstructive because of the effect it has had on their lives. Maybe it is this obstruction which prevented the crime from being solved a long time ago.
NB. Sergei was investigated because he was less than truthful with the PJ about his association with the 1st arguido. And a few other matters.

[Alice Purjorick]

Interesting that some posters here see the loss of a job to be at a similar level to the loss of a child
It certainly explains a hell of a lot

Should it happen to me the loss of my job would be at around 10 in my life whereas someone else I didn't know losing their child would scarcely figure above 1. That's the way it is. Anyone who professes differently is most probably trapping off for effect.

[jassi]

Should it happen to me the loss of my job would be at around 10 in my life whereas someone else I didn't know losing their child would scarcely figure above 1. That's the way it is. Anyone who professes differently is most probably trapping off for effect.

I think that sums it up very nicely 

[Alfie]

Luz, like many other towns & villages on the Algarve, realised a few decades ago that tourism was the way forward for the area to flourish. I wonder how many of the fisherman & farmers who, having contributed much to the region for years, lost their jobs & land to make way for surfing schools & hotel developments? The tourist industry is of prime importance to the region and, like the Spanish & Greeks, the locals have to swallow the rough with the smooth if they wish to keep the money pouring in. If 30 jobs at OC were the only collateral damage to Luz following Madeleine's disappearance, then imo the area escaped quite lightly. I think we'd all be interested to know if there were any other job losses in the village as a direct result of May 2007.
One of the first accusations levelled at the Tapas 9 was that they were swingers. Did that accusation demonstrate Luz's reputation, as perceived by its own country's police force, was not in keeping with the widely-promoted family-friendly holiday destination? Rather than welcoming the continued investigation into the disappearance of a child from their midst, you are suggesting that the locals have every right to be obstructive because of the effect it has had on their lives. Maybe it is this obstruction which prevented the crime from being solved a long time ago.
NB. Sergei was investigated because he was less than truthful with the PJ about his association with the 1st arguido. And a few other matters.

[Alfie]

I think that sums it up very nicely 

No one here lost a job because of the effects of Madeleine's disappearance on PdL did they?  If not then Alice's point was completely irrelevant.

[ShiningInLuz]

Luz, like many other towns & villages on the Algarve, realised a few decades ago that tourism was the way forward for the area to flourish. I wonder how many of the fisherman & farmers who, having contributed much to the region for years, lost their jobs & land to make way for surfing schools & hotel developments? The tourist industry is of prime importance to the region and, like the Spanish & Greeks, the locals have to swallow the rough with the smooth if they wish to keep the money pouring in. If 30 jobs at OC were the only collateral damage to Luz following Madeleine's disappearance, then imo the area escaped quite lightly. I think we'd all be interested to know if there were any other job losses in the village as a direct result of May 2007.

One of the first accusations levelled at the Tapas 9 was that they were swingers. Did that accusation demonstrate Luz's reputation, as perceived by its own country's police force, was not in keeping with the widely-promoted family-friendly holiday destination? Rather than welcoming the continued investigation into the disappearance of a child from their midst, you are suggesting that the locals have every right to be obstructive because of the effect it has had on their lives. Maybe it is this obstruction which prevented the crime from being solved a long time ago.
NB. Sergei was investigated because he was less than truthful with the PJ about his association with the 1st arguido. And a few other matters.

If you have any evidence whatsoever that fishermen were prevented from fishing, kindly present it.  Luz did not have then, and does not have now, a harbour for fishing vessels.  It seems they used to string nets across the bay when the tuna came, but when the tuna stopped using Luz as a migration point, end of the fishing industry.

If you have any evidence whatsoever that farmers were forced off their land to develop Luz, kindly present it.  The best information I have at the moment is that the bulk of the land was owned by one single lady, and if correct, that would mean farmers were renting from her before she sold up.

Collateral damage?  Oh dear, I was dreading this turning up like a bad penny.  Is there something about you and your husband/wife are out of a job that you do not understand?  Or perhaps further posters and further collateral damage are OK.  Because there is going to be further 'collateral damage' on the 10th anniversary.

There have been many other job losses in Luz, but in honesty, I cannot say how many were due to the Madeleine effect.  The OC got hit particularly hard.  I would assume other businesses in Luz fared somewhat better.

To be blunt, Misty, I find your insinuation that I have approved of the vandalism distasteful.  Check back through the thread.

From memory, not a single poster has approved of such vandalism.  Frankly, if anyone does, the post will hit the cutting room floor faster than s**t off a shovel.

From memory, there has been widespread condemnation of the defacement, typically from McCann supporters.  This has been allowed to stand in its entirety.

There has been a flagellation of the people of Luz, or a sub-set of the people of Luz, for this act of vandalism.  These comments have been allowed to stand.  The vandalism happened, and forum opinions on this are valid.

There has been a very grudging acceptance that perhaps people other than the McCanns suffered.  However, this seems to be a balance between the greater evil (Madeleine gone) and the lesser evil (both earners redundant/'collateral damage'.)

The thread title is 'Bad feelings, redundancies and defaced posters'.  It is not about May 2007 when Madeleine disappeared.  It is about 2 years later when someone in Team McCann decided plastering Luz with posters was a good idea.

It wasn't.

It was unintelligent, uncaring, and it harmed the search for Madeleine, IMO.  The response was entirely predictable.

[misty]

I am sorry if you consider the placing of Madeleine posters in public places in Luz and the additional questioning & investigations carried out by SY/PJ as dumb. I can't honestly see why you are spending so much time & effort researching & blogging about the case if you believe those who are trying to act in Madeleine's best interests are, in fact, dumb.
 I have every sympathy with innocent people who have inadvertently been caught up in this drawn-out case. However, had it been THEIR child who had gone missing in similar circumstances, I'm sure they would have been the first to expect continued co-operation from the local residents for as long as it took to reach a conclusion. Maybe if the PJ had been more adept the matter could have been concluded well before a job loss situation was reached but, like Soham & Dunblane, the village will always now be synonymous with Madeleine McCann.

Would you like to know in whose computer records I discovered searches for swinging in the Algarve?

[Alice Purjorick]

There are people, both on this forum and elsewhere, who claim they would never EVER give up physically searching for their daughter if it was them, and it they were the McCanns they would have stayed in Portugal until she was found.  I just wonder what sort of impact that would have had on PdL - the McCanns in permanent residence, knocking on doors day in day out, digging little holes on the beach, stopping tourists to ask them if they'd seen a blonde girl who looked like Kate, all the while being followed by the world's media - yes, they could have becoming tourist attractions in their own right, maybe even incorporated in a Ghouls Tour visit?  It's a thought isn't it.... &%+((£

I feel confident there have been better more constructive thoughts.