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Aiofe

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #195 on: November 11, 2013, 04:50:21 PM »
One of the basic mechanisms of a cult is absolute belief in a particular set of beliefs, whether it be religious or otherwise. Whatever evidence offered that conflicts with core beliefs not only can be washed away, but must be so treated, using any means necessary. The belief at times approaches the clinical definition of a delusion- a fixed false belief that cannot be changed by evidence or argument open to most people in society. We do not need shape changing lizards- this behaviour is apparent in politics, football fans, pressure groups and many other social structures. including internet fora!

Look for a Fixed Belief, Strong Leaders, Group Compliance and devaluation of non-group members.

There are two cults operating here and an uneasy middle ground, though the middle ground is often pulled into the battles because they are seen as opponents by one or both sides.

The tenet of the Anti-McCanns is that despite several extensive examinations that show clearly that they are at fault, they have not been made to suffer for their misdeeds. The corollary is that cult members and the public should be free to libel, harass and abuse them, even though this is outside the law. They often claim collusion by powerful forces and a conspiracy to avoid the McCanns being brought to Justice.

The tenet of the Pro-McCanns is that there is nothing possibly morally dubious about their actions- that not only are they not technically or legally culpable for Madeleine's disappearance, they are also morally free from culpability, and those that say they are culpable are wrong in everything they do.

Offline jassi

Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #196 on: November 11, 2013, 04:58:57 PM »
Nicely summed up, particularly the bit about being dragged into arguments by both sides.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Aiofe

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #197 on: November 11, 2013, 05:06:10 PM »
Nicely summed up, particularly the bit about being dragged into arguments by both sides.

Can you see the cultish aspects on both sides?

Offline jassi

Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #198 on: November 11, 2013, 05:08:20 PM »
Can you see the cultish aspects on both sides?

Oh yes, quite clearly.  I can't do with these extremes.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Aiofe

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #199 on: November 11, 2013, 05:13:36 PM »
Oh yes, quite clearly.  I can't do with these extremes.

The problem I have is with the extremes and a good part of the middle. My views on what happened are so minimalist that I get into trouble with the extremes and moderates of both persuasions (including you at times I am afraid- sorry)

My view is summed up by a few sentences-

A Crime or accident happened
It none of my effing business
It's really none of anybodies effing business if it inflicts pain on the McCanns.
Crimes and investigations are a matter for the authorities
Most people are only here to feed their egos (including me) but at least I try to limit the collateral damage to the people concerned.

The October Times piece elsewhere is very close to what I feel! Although she missed the mawkishness of the Pros.

Offline jassi

Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #200 on: November 11, 2013, 05:20:02 PM »
I feel it is our business, in that the McCanns have made it so with their incessant PR machine, urging everyone to look for Madeleine. The media, of course, have latched onto this and made matters far worse. If the whole thing had been toned down a bit  and played at a lower key, I feel that there would have  been much less angst and ill feeling towards the McCanns.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Kazcutt

Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #201 on: November 11, 2013, 05:29:10 PM »
If I was to say, "the McCanns should have been locked up for child neglect for leaving their kids in danger," then we all know what answer we will get from the McCann fanclub, "they didn't break any laws as the Portuguese system requires INTENT to harm so there!"

Pardon me, but isn't this breathtaking hypocrisy?  It's saying it's ok that they did something that WOULD have had them prosecuted in this country because they did it in a country where they didn't break the law.

How do you live with yourselves using that kind of "logic"?  Let alone then trying to take the moral high ground in saying anyone doubting the word according to the McCanns is a "[ censored word ]", "p......", "unempathetic" or worse.

Not being funny but the missing kids of this world most are missing because their parents were not watching them . Totally agree you can not leave children alone in Portugal etc and  I think the Portuguese police should have charged them right away . No point winging over what the pj haven't done

Aiofe

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #202 on: November 11, 2013, 05:31:14 PM »
I feel it is our business, in that the McCanns have made it so with their incessant PR machine, urging everyone to look for Madeleine. The media, of course, have latched onto this and made matters far worse. If the whole thing had been toned down a bit  and played at a lower key, I feel that there would have  been much less angst and ill feeling towards the McCanns.

This is an example of 'Blaming the McCanns'. What they did was legal and moral by any standards in involving the press. Technically they retain their right to privacy and this is abused by discussions such as this. Many things averred about them are defamatory. It's none of our effing business is the basic point.

Aiofe

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #203 on: November 11, 2013, 05:33:10 PM »
Not being funny but the missing kids of this world most are missing because their parents were not watching them . Totally agree you can not leave children alone in Portugal etc and  I think the Portuguese police should have charged them right away . No point winging over what the pj haven't done

You can leave your children alone in Portugal. There is no law against it.

This is cultish behaviour- stating things that are not the fact because your group believe it. There is no criminal law on child neglect in Portugal. It was not open to the PJ to charge them with anything because it was not a crime.

Unless you can produce the law that makes it so!

stephen25000

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #204 on: November 11, 2013, 05:37:28 PM »
This is an example of 'Blaming the McCanns'. What they did was legal and moral by any standards in involving the press. Technically they retain their right to privacy and this is abused by discussions such as this. Many things averred about them are defamatory. It's none of our effing business is the basic point.


 'It's none of our effing business is the basic point.'

So why are you bothering posting on here ?

Offline Kazcutt

Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #205 on: November 11, 2013, 05:38:34 PM »
You can leave your children alone in Portugal. There is no law against it.

This is cultish behaviour- stating things that are not the fact because your group believe it. There is no criminal law on child neglect in Portugal. It was not open to the PJ to charge them with anything because it was not a crime.

Unless you can produce the law that makes it so!

You can leave them in the uk as well as long as they are safe
Sick of hearing [ censored word] moaning that the children were left . Cant see how it helps Madeleine

Lyall

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #206 on: November 11, 2013, 05:39:38 PM »
This is an example of 'Blaming the McCanns'. What they did was legal and moral by any standards in involving the press. Technically they retain their right to privacy and this is abused by discussions such as this. Many things averred about them are defamatory. It's none of our effing business is the basic point.

Very much what I thought in the earliest 30 days or so Aiofe. But the way the press and TV (particularly ITV) covered the case very much made it our business.

Aiofe

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #207 on: November 11, 2013, 05:41:40 PM »

 'It's none of our effing business is the basic point.'

So why are you bothering posting on here ?


1/ In defence of the law and basic human morality
2/ Pissing off people who get their jollies from abusing innocent citizens
3/ Outwitting dumb believers
4/ Fun
5/ As an alternative to writing when my pain control is not working and I cannot concentrate on serious stuff- my facebook use goes up as well.

stephen25000

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #208 on: November 11, 2013, 05:43:07 PM »
You can leave them in the uk as well as long as they are safe
Sick of hearing [ censored word] moaning that the children were left . Cant see how it helps Madeleine

Pity the mccanns didn't take proper care of their children in the first place.

Aiofe

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Re: The breathtaking hypocrisy of those that support the McCanns
« Reply #209 on: November 11, 2013, 05:43:23 PM »
Very much what I thought in the earliest 30 days or so Aiofe. But the way the press and TV (particularly ITV) covered the case very much made it our business.

Legally it did not. You are just an ordinary citizen and have no special right to discuss in public the possible illegalities of another person. People are just using the internet as a way to get round libel and harassment charges- I suspect this will stop after a few more McAlpines.