Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.

[gilet]

Considering that all leads were followed, as can be checked in the PJ files, and that you don't give any substantiated proof that Ricardo Paiva (one of Amaral's strongest supporters) ever said that, I recommend you read (or re-read) Mark Harrison's report, the expert suggested by the british detectives (Leicestershire) that were part of he task force.

At the time all decisions were made by portuguese and british police involved in the search, and the request for this expert to become involved was formally made by Guilhermino Encarnação (Faro's PJ director).
The report was made under the assumption that, according to the expertise, a murder had been committed, the reason why the dogs (those poor vilified beautiful creatures) were called...

As you will be able to read on that report, this expert was called after the McCann called upon Krueger and his "dead find" machine from South Africa.

So, implying that it was Amaral that initiated the search for a dead Maddie is a TOTAL LIE. It was the McCann that started it..

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html

CALLING LUZ!!!!
CALLING LUZ!!!
CALLING LUZ!!
CALLING LUZ!

Just because the McCanns used Krueger does not mean they then proclaimed their child dead.  Are you not capable of understanding/empathising with a couple who will try all options to get some idea of what happened to their child? Do you not see that the emotions will run from the darkest thoughts to the glimmer of hope?

It was not the McCanns proclaiming her death. They have always stated that they know that is a possibility but that they hope she is alive.

It wasn't even the PJ/AG who stated death as a fact. The archival report is clear that there is no knowledge whether she is alive or dead (though death is more probable).

It was Amaral who proclaimed the death of Madeleine. It was his team that divulged the completely erroneous information about DNA to the press. And it was Amaral in his book who sealed that claim and proclaimed the death as a certainty and that the parents covered it up.

[AnneGuedes]

The parents are only suspected to be involved in the concealment of the body.

[gilet]

The parents are only suspected to be involved in the concealment of the body.

Oh are you actually sure of that?

I think it is something that needs to be checked.

There may be truth in what you say, then again maybe not.

ps any chance you could respond to my question about transcripts here?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2202.270

[LagosBen]

I was ready to borrow an [ censored word] conspiracy hat there because odd for me, the tweets on a usually tidy sites are a mess...all over printed. You can read them when posted though. Then it would not let me post the whole thing on here. too many characters.

jondipaolo:
Paiva: mccanns never pointed me towards any evidence that maddie was still alive.   

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:13 jondipaolo
 



4:12
 
Twitter
jondipaolo:
Paiva: amaral's thesis has prevented other theories from being investigated.   

Tuesday January 12, 2010 4:12 jondipaolo
 
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Twitter.htm

So you were wrong then Luz?

[Luz]

Until the McCann sued the Uk newspapers in March 2008, everyone of them had questioning articles about the McCann's role in the disappearance of their child.
After they had to pay them more than 550 000£ they made a 180º change of track. So cheap is the independence of information in the UK!

[LagosBen]

Until the McCann sued the Uk newspapers in March 2008, everyone of them had questioning articles about the McCann's role in the disappearance of their child.
After they had to pay them more than 550 000£ they made a 180º change of track. So cheap is the independence of information in the UK!

What does that ^^^^^^^^ have do to your claim that I was lying over Paivas words in Court? 8-)(--)

[Luz]

CALLING LUZ!!!!
CALLING LUZ!!!
CALLING LUZ!!
CALLING LUZ!

Just because the McCanns used Krueger does not mean they then proclaimed their child dead.  Are you not capable of understanding/empathising with a couple who will try all options to get some idea of what happened to their child? Do you not see that the emotions will run from the darkest thoughts to the glimmer of hope?

It was not the McCanns proclaiming her death. They have always stated that they know that is a possibility but that they hope she is alive.

It wasn't even the PJ/AG who stated death as a fact. The archival report is clear that there is no knowledge whether she is alive or dead (though death is more probable).

It was Amaral who proclaimed the death of Madeleine. It was his team that divulged the completely erroneous information about DNA to the press. And it was Amaral in his book who sealed that claim and proclaimed the death as a certainty and that the parents covered it up.

Why do you hate Amaral so much? He was only one in a group of more than 150 inspectors, detectives, policemen, portuguese and british - Why do you insist on attributing to him happenings that were of the responsibility by others, namelly by the McCann themselves?!

Very early in the investigation, the Faro PJ director told the press that, even if the child had been kidnapped, by then she was probably dead because of the Media attention the parents had brought upon her and her identifying features.

Your focus in Amaral is not healthy. That's obsession, maybe you should check your psy.; just a sympathetic thought.

[Luz]

What does that ^^^^^^^^ have do to your claim that I was lying over Paivas words in Court? 8-)(--)

Who said I was responding to you?!!!!

[gilet]

Why do you hate Amaral so much? He was only one in a group of more than 150 inspectors, detectives, policemen, portuguese and british - Why do you insist on attributing to him happenings that were of the responsibility by others, namelly by the McCann themselves?!

Very early in the investigation, the Faro PJ director told the press that, even if the child had been kidnapped, by then she was probably dead because of the Media attention the parents had brought upon her and her identifying features.

Your focus in Amaral is not healthy. That's obsession, maybe you should check your psy.; just a sympathetic thought.

You forget that Amaral is the only one of these officers who was booted off the case for breaking the secrecy rule and talking to journalists.

You also forget that Amaral is the only one of these officers who decided to improve his honour and make a fortune from writing a speculative work about the case which proclaims the death of a missing little girl without there being any proof of that death and proclaims that the parents of that child hid the body and covered up the death of their daughter.

You also then forget that this Amaral went out of his way to laud the person who calls herself a profiler but can show no actual experience of ever having worked professionally on any actual case and who wrote a book which made up a stupid story about Gerry McCann carrying his daughters body through Heathrow in a rucksack.

You forget as well that this is the Amaral who has been connected to the horrendous antics of the Madeleine Foundation.

Those among other reasons are why I and others focus on this particular individual.

It is not an obsession at all. It is forum debate.

[gilet]

Who said I was responding to you?!!!!

So when will you respond to the fact that you were totally wrong about your claims concerning Amaral? Paiva proved you to be wrong. Don't you think you owe the forum an explanation?

[stephen25000]

You forget that Amaral is the only one of these officers who was booted off the case for breaking the secrecy rule and talking to journalists.

You also forget that Amaral is the only one of these officers who decided to improve his honour and make a fortune from writing a speculative work about the case which proclaims the death of a missing little girl without there being any proof of that death and proclaims that the parents of that child hid the body and covered up the death of their daughter.

You also then forget that this Amaral went out of his way to laud the person who calls herself a profiler but can show no actual experience of ever having worked professionally on any actual case and who wrote a book which made up a stupid story about Gerry McCann carrying his daughters body through Heathrow in a rucksack.

You forget as well that this is the Amaral who has been connected to the horrendous antics of the Madeleine Foundation.

Those among other reasons are why I and others focus on this particular individual.

It is not an obsession at all. It is forum debate.

No your focus on Amaral is because of your clear hatred for him.

A brief reminder, if needed.

He was far from the only one who believed the Mccanns were involved.

The mccanns also managed to break the secrecy laws through a variety of leaks by different people.

They clearly occurred on both sides.

[Luz]

You forget that Amaral is the only one of these officers who was booted off the case for breaking the secrecy rule and talking to journalists.

You also forget that Amaral is the only one of these officers who decided to improve his honour and make a fortune from writing a speculative work about the case which proclaims the death of a missing little girl without there being any proof of that death and proclaims that the parents of that child hid the body and covered up the death of their daughter.

You also then forget that this Amaral went out of his way to laud the person who calls herself a profiler but can show no actual experience of ever having worked professionally on any actual case and who wrote a book which made up a stupid story about Gerry McCann carrying his daughters body through Heathrow in a rucksack.

You forget as well that this is the Amaral who has been connected to the horrendous antics of the Madeleine Foundation.

Those among other reasons are why I and others focus on this particular individual.

It is not an obsession at all. It is forum debate.

It is more than obsession, it's a desperate attempt to blame someone in order to emotionally accept the unacceptable.

Any minimally informed person that reads your post sees clearly how deceiving you are being. You create false allegations, you distort facts, you create absurd accusations that only exist in your mind and of those colleagues of yours that chose to defame an innocent person in order to clean a couple that has many stains to explain.

[Luz]

So when will you respond to the fact that you were totally wrong about your claims concerning Amaral? Paiva proved you to be wrong. Don't you think you owe the forum an explanation?

No. I think you owe the Forum an apology for the inaccuracies you are passing as if fact.
If and when you prove the statements you make with documents I'll be the first to apologize to you.

[gilet]

No your focus on Amaral is because of your clear hatred for him.

A brief reminder, if needed.

He was far from the only one who believed the Mccanns were involved.

The mccanns also managed to break the secrecy laws through a variety of leaks by different people.

They clearly occurred on both sides.

I have outlined the clear reasons for mine and others focus on Amaral.
That you are unable to understand these reasons and choose to invent one of your own is quite pathetic.

[stephen25000]

I have outlined the clear reasons for mine and others focus on Amaral.
That you are unable to understand these reasons and choose to invent one of your own is quite pathetic.

No, not pathetic.

It clearly demonstrates that you have allegiance to the Mccanns and nothing else.

Very sad indeed.