Author Topic: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?  (Read 5595 times)

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Offline Luz

Re: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 06:21:00 PM »
What did Murat present in his (successful) action against Correia de Mahaha?

I have no idea, because I didn't even know that he had any case against Correio da Manhã.

icabodcrane

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Re: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2013, 06:24:35 PM »
Nope:

"With regard to other possible crimes, whilst we cannot dismiss the possibility of a killing, given the high degree of probability, there is no evidence for this in the case records.
The non-involvement of Madeleine's parents in any criminally significant action is apparent from the fact that they were not in the apartment at the time of her disappearance, their normal behaviour up to that moment and afterwards, as witnessed by the statements of the witnesses, the analysis of the telephone communications and the conclusions of the experts reports… None of the indications which led to their being made suspects was substantiated later; there was no proof of them having notified the media before the police, the laboratory did not confirm the traces found by the dogs, and the initial e-mail indications transcribed above later turned out to be harmless
…. Therefore having considered the foregoing, I order:
… b) Filing of the papers concerning the suspects Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, as there is no evidence that they committed any crime defined by Article 277.1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure".


I have just reread the Public Prosecutor's final report again,  to double check,  and he most certainly   does  leave open,   as a possible explanation for the disappearance   'Neglectful Homicide' 

ferryman

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Re: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2013, 06:25:04 PM »
I have no idea, because I didn't even know that he had any case against Correio da Manhã.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1534.0

Offline Luz

Re: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2013, 06:34:49 PM »
Meanwhile I checked it out...
http://www.jn.pt/Dossies/dossie.aspx?content_id=3204064&dossier=O%20caso%20Maddie%20McCann

Portuguese Journal condemned to pay 15 000€ to Murat

Extract:
In question was the "moral damage" suffered by Murat in the sequence of several articles in that newspaper, that, according to the Tribunal, attributed him a "sick personality, in areas not only of pedophilia as also of zoophilia, compatible with the practice of a criminal action related to the case of the unfortunate child"

(Em causa os "danos morais" sofridos por Murat na sequência de várias notícias publicadas naquele jornal, que, segundo o tribunal, lhe atribuem "uma personalidade doentia, da área não só da pedofilia como até da zooerastia, compatível com a prática de ilícito criminal relacionado com o desaparecimento de infortunada criança".)

The compensation, due because of the violation of the right to peace and serenity, will be paied by the three journalists that signed the news and by the company that owns the newspaper.

(A indemnização, pela violação do direito à paz e ao sossego, será paga solidariamente pelos três jornalistas que assinaram as notícias e pela empresa proprietária do jornal.)

"The aim to increase the numbers cannot obfuscate the duties of the journalists, and in fact the consecrated status, of respect to the presumption of innocence, the non  gathering of declarations or images that may  bruise the dignity of persons, as well as the publication of news that induce discrimination", states the "acordão" (legal document) that Lusa had access to.


("O objetivo de aumento de tiragens não pode obnubilar os deveres jornalísticos, aliás de consagração estatutária, de respeito pela presunção de inocência, de não recolha de declarações ou imagens que atinjam a dignidade das pessoas, bem como de publicação de notícias que suscitem discriminação", refere o acórdão da Relação, a que a Lusa teve acesso.)


« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 06:36:41 PM by Luz »

Offline Luz

Re: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2013, 06:40:56 PM »
Considering the harassment that Murat suffered, 15000€ is ridiculous.

But there is no possible comparison between Murat and the McCann. Murat didn't invite the journos to interview him, Murat didn't have anything to do with the child, Murat was a victim because he was too helpful.

ferryman

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Re: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2013, 06:45:58 PM »
Thanks Luz.

So in exactly the same way that Murat was accused of certain things he couldn't, by definition, disprove, but which the court accepted were untrue, so there is not a shred of evidence implicating the McCanns in anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, despite very specific accusations against them.

Just as Murat prevailed in his action, so the McCanns should prevail in theirs ...

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2013, 03:45:34 PM »
I'll have a stab at it

Madeleine's disappearance was archived as an unsolved case

The Public Prosecutor,  prior to archiving,   concluded that a number of possible explanations for the child's disappearance existed  ...   one of which was 'abduction'  (  as claimed by the McCanns )   ...  and another of which was Neglectful Homicide  (  as claimed by Amaral  ) 

Amaral  (  and his lawyer  )  must  acknowledge and respect the conclusions drawn by the Prosecutor and allow for the  'possibility'  that Madeleine was abducted and may still be alive

However,  whilst acknowledging that possibility,  Amaral's  own   conclusion is that the missing child died in the apartment and an abduction was subsequently staged by her parents   ( as the Public Prosecutor also allowed as a possibility )   

Amaral's lawyer,  whilst acknowledging all possibilities quoted by the Prosecutor,   is defending his client's right,  under the Portuguese constitution,   to express his  own  conclusion and opinion  based on the knowledge available to him

Could that be it  ?

I agree Icabod, and clearly expressed

Offline Jacinta

Re: Can someone explain something, to me, unfathomable?
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2013, 05:29:43 PM »
I'll have a stab at it

Madeleine's disappearance was archived as an unsolved case

The Public Prosecutor,  prior to archiving,   concluded that a number of possible explanations for the child's disappearance existed  ...   one of which was 'abduction'  (  as claimed by the McCanns )   ...  and another of which was Neglectful Homicide  (  as claimed by Amaral  ) 

Amaral  (  and his lawyer  )  must  acknowledge and respect the conclusions drawn by the Prosecutor and allow for the  'possibility'  that Madeleine was abducted and may still be alive

However,  whilst acknowledging that possibility,  Amaral's  own   conclusion is that the missing child died in the apartment and an abduction was subsequently staged by her parents   ( as the Public Prosecutor also allowed as a possibility )   

Amaral's lawyer,  whilst acknowledging all possibilities quoted by the Prosecutor,   is defending his client's right,  under the Portuguese constitution,   to express his  own  conclusion and opinion  based on the knowledge available to him

Could that be it  ?
Makes a lot sense, at least to me  ?{)(**