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Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2013, 10:33:47 PM »
That is simply a myth that has been completely debunked.

You really should rely on facts rather than myth.

The eye defect was made public by the PJ in a press release within 48 hours of the disappearance.

Ah I have just found this in the PJ files which suggests you  are right in the case of publicising there was a brown fleck in Madeleines eye, (doesnt detract from Gerry Mccanns words though that despite a danger it was a good ploy and doesnt detract from Kate Mccann sayng they never made a big thng of it, hello? LOL)  but further wrong in insisting Mr Amaral didnt think publicity was a good idea seeing as he initiated request for said press  publicity for the missing child on 4th May, evil wasnt he?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm#p1p32

Eta does anyne know if the press release DID go out to the papers and tv about the eye defedt  in Portugal? Because it seems disjointed it would, but police would warn Mccanns not to mention it...?
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 10:44:57 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2013, 10:35:07 PM »
On the 4th of May 2007, the MP allowed the PJ to divulge the disappearance of Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm#p2p452
They distributed the information through the police channels, like to Interpol. Standard police procedure, but they still didn't do TV and radio police appeals.
The missing child alert was only requested on 8 May. Surely that should have been requested immediately after she was reported missing? 

Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2013, 10:35:22 PM »
No matter that you pretend I have twisted your words, I have not and am certain that readers of this thread will come to that conclusion themselves.

You are trying to defend the indefensible, I'm afraid.

Yada yada, facts are all there to read back

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2013, 10:37:37 PM »
Tipical and sad : lend to others what you should ascribe to you.

Do explain what is typical (sic) and sad.

I do not believe that making a press release of bare facts about a child constitutes making a major media appeal.

I do believe that major media appeals should be conducted in missing child cases.
Clearly Amaral and other PJ do not.

I think the power of social media, the desire to help from the public and the authority of the police combined do a wonderful job in such cases.

Not all appeals are successful unfortunately, but some, such as that relating to Esme where the appeal led directly to her being found, are and because of that I find it shocking that some people should suggest such appeals are not worthwhile.

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2013, 10:42:48 PM »
Ah I have just found this in the PJ files which suggests you  are right in the case of publicising there was a brown fleck in Madeleines eye, (doesnt detract from Gerry Mccanns words though)  but further wrong in insisting Mr Amaral didnt think publicity was a good idea seeing as he initiated request for said press  publicity for the missing child on 4th May, evil wasnt he?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm#p1p32

Thank you. I knew I was right about the matter.

I never said anything about it detracting from Gerry's words. My posting of that information related to the fact that Luz was posting misinformation on the subject and I was simply correcting that misinformation.

And I am not wrong on the issue of media appeals either. I have not said that Amaral did not initiate some press releases. He, or those above him, did so.

I have said that two little paper press releases do not add up to the kind of blitzed media and social media appeal which was is the topic of this thread. It is the mass of information coming in from such appeals that Amaral was talking about in his statement. He is referring to the kind of appeal which the McCanns, due to the lack of initiative on the part of the PJ, had to undertake themselves. As you know in this country a proper media appeal including press releases, TV appearances etc is set up by the police.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2013, 10:43:56 PM »
Somebody, suddenly omnipresent on this forum, seems not to  be aware that Common Law is different from Romano-Germanic Law, an issue that has been amply discussed.

Omnipresent, an excellent word Anne. By their posts shall the McCann's agenda be known   8(0(*
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2013, 10:50:31 PM »
Omnipresent, an excellent word Anne. By their posts shall the McCann's agenda be known   8(0(*

That would be so funny were it not so genuinely sad.

Trying desperately to find words to abuse me without upsetting the mods, Anne Guedes, chose the word "omnipresent" and her partner in arms chose to applaud that.

But the truth is that Faithlilly is far more present here than I am by over 500 posts and Anne Guedes is almost 300% more present than I am here with over 3500 posts.

Really, you must try harder to be abusive because that is an truly awful attempt.

Offline TTSOFAFM

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2013, 10:50:58 PM »
The truth of the matter is simply cultural differences.  As a Brit, we pride ourselves, on keeping the stiff upper lip and fight tooth and nail to get to the truth and our goals.  The McCanns have a daughter missing.  The McCanns, through contacts and consular help set up a worldwide campaign to find their daughter and used certain anniversaries to promote a new appeal.

The McCanns have used social media.  Something that is a valuable tool in the 21st century to get appeals spread far and wide.  And they have used it to its full effect in hope that Madeleine will be found.  The McCanns have used the media to get the word out about their appeals.   The media in all earnest, used the McCanns to sell papers, but instead of shying away from media, the McCanns know that the media is the only hope they have of getting their appeals printed in papers, not just in the United Kingdom but worldwide. 

The McCanns put themselves on the front line and even though the press published stories that were totally false they still need the media to get the message home that Madeleine is missing. 

If Amaral thinks it highly suspicious then he is totally mistaken.  One thing the McCanns have shown is that the media can help you and in a way the McCanns have set a precedent on how to use social media on appeals for missing people.

A policeman may in his mind think the chances of finding a missing child, after 6 years alive, are pretty slim.  But in his heart he prays and hopes his fears are unfounded.  One thing they do NOT do is flaunt themselves on TV, write books that clearly state the child is dead. 

And before people jump up and down saying Amaral has never said that Madeleine McCann is definitely dead, he has.  The foreward in his book clearly states it.

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The death of the investigation, once again! But this is about the death of a child! Yes, I affirm it, a child is dead! This certainty is not fed by vague assumptions, no, I base myself on facts, details, clues and evidence recorded in the official records. Many questions have been raised. But where are the answers?

Goncalo Amaral's actions in my opinion, has caused harm to the search.  The anti McCanns, who hero-worship this ex-detective, are clear examples of how they believe everything he says and totally ignore the words of DCI Andy Redwood who states that Madeleine could be alive.

Offline Montclair

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2013, 10:51:16 PM »
The PJ did not want to publicise the brown fleck in Maddie's eye but the parents insisted on it.

Offline Luz

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2013, 10:51:39 PM »
What part didn't you understand?!

In the early morning of May, 4, 2007 every national TV channel started passing alerts about Madeleine's disappearance asking people to call a phone number of the GNR or the PJ. It was kept for months. Also in every newscast there were references to the situation.

I'm unable to recover the alert used by the TVs, but I can show here an example of the type of news that the press maintained for a long time.

Menina desaparecida na Praia da Luz
http://www.dnoticias.pt/actualidade/pais/171398-menina-desaparecida-na-praia-da-luz-procurada-por-30-gnr

PJ convicta de que criança inglesa terá sido raptada
http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?article=44015&tm=8&layout=121&visual=49

There were also appeals made in every national and local radio station.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 10:53:29 PM by Luz »

Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2013, 10:53:36 PM »
Thank you. I knew I was right about the matter.

I never said anything about it detracting from Gerry's words. My posting of that information related to the fact that Luz was posting misinformation on the subject and I was simply correcting that misinformation.

And I am not wrong on the issue of media appeals either. I have not said that Amaral did not initiate some press releases. He, or those above him, did so.

I have said that two little paper press releases do not add up to the kind of blitzed media and social media appeal which was is the topic of this thread. It is the mass of information coming in from such appeals that Amaral was talking about in his statement. He is referring to the kind of appeal which the McCanns, due to the lack of initiative on the part of the PJ, had to undertake themselves. As you know in this country a proper media appeal including press releases, TV appearances etc is set up by the police.

There was no social media appeals in this case from anywhere, facebook  and twitterwas not then what it is today

As I said before, Madeleines story and image was in the news  all day every day in many countries right from day one...and for months and then years....you are flogging a dead horse IMO to suggest her disappearance was not publicised enough by Mr Amaral, if it wasnt, despite him asking permission aganst some policy to publicise it!, everyone else did it for the PJ, so as I said a bit of a pointless thread
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 10:57:07 PM by Redblossom »

AnneGuedes

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2013, 10:55:03 PM »
They distributed the information through the police channels, like to Interpol. Standard police procedure, but they still didn't do TV and radio police appeals.
The missing child alert was only requested on 8 May. Surely that should have been requested immediately after she was reported missing?
I can tell you that Portuguese TV reported this intensively. I never watch TV but at the time my children watched and I learnt this through them. I remember saying "they took the only one who would be able to describe them".

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2013, 10:56:58 PM »
I can tell you that Portuguese TV reported this intensively. I never watch TV but at the time my children watched and I learnt this through them. I remember saying "they took the only one who would be able to describe them".
What part didn't you understand?!

In the early morning of May, 4, 2007 every national TV channel started passing alerts about Madeleine's disappearance asking people to call a phone number of the GNR or the PJ. It was kept for months. Also in every newscast there were references to the situation.

I'm unable to recover the alert used by the TVs, but I can show here an example of the type of news that the press maintained for a long time.

Menina desaparecida na Praia da Luz
http://www.dnoticias.pt/actualidade/pais/171398-menina-desaparecida-na-praia-da-luz-procurada-por-30-gnr

PJ convicta de que criança inglesa terá sido raptada
http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?article=44015&tm=8&layout=121&visual=49

And was that followed up by a regular update from the Police, then properly organised appeals from the parents and an appeal on social media?

Your examples simply show two papers who have published bits of the press release with a small amount of comment. Is that also what was read out on TV? Hardly likely to catch the audience attention is it? And no photos in those articles either. Really helpful when asking people to look for somebody.

Offline TTSOFAFM

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2013, 10:57:47 PM »
The PJ did not want to publicise the brown fleck in Maddie's eye but the parents insisted on it.
Are you sure about that?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_32.jpg

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From the PJ

To: The Assistant Prosecutor
Public Ministry

Date: 04-05-2007

Subject: Request for Divulgation by means of the Press

As it is of clear interest to the investigation of the case in reference, I have the honour to ask you to authorise the divulgation of the disappearance of the young girl Madeleine McCann by means of the organs of the press, with the aim of obtaining information leading to her whereabouts.

I enclose a model for divulgation.

With best compliments

The Coordinator of the Investigation.

G. Amaral

And the authorisation

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm#p2p452

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Letter from the Lagos Public Ministry

To: Portimao DIC

Date: 04-05-2007

Subject: Request for Divulgation by Means of the Media with Reference to the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

This letter serves to communicate to you that within the framework of what is laid down in Article 86 n? 5 of the CPP I authorise this police force to divulge the disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann by means of the organs of the press with the aim of obtaining information leading to her whereabouts, in accordance with the press release model that was sent to us.

With best compliments,

Signed

That reads to me as if Goncalo Amaral was asking permission the day after Madeleine disappeared.  Please provide proof that the PJ didn't want to release details.

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2013, 10:59:57 PM »
Omnipresent, an excellent word Anne. By their posts shall the McCann's agenda be known   8(0(*
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