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Offline Mo Stache

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2013, 11:02:06 PM »
The truth of the matter is simply cultural differences.  As a Brit, we pride ourselves, on keeping the stiff upper lip and fight tooth and nail to get to the truth and our goals.  The McCanns have a daughter missing.  The McCanns, through contacts and consular help set up a worldwide campaign to find their daughter and used certain anniversaries to promote a new appeal.

The McCanns have used social media.  Something that is a valuable tool in the 21st century to get appeals spread far and wide.  And they have used it to its full effect in hope that Madeleine will be found.  The McCanns have used the media to get the word out about their appeals.   The media in all earnest, used the McCanns to sell papers, but instead of shying away from media, the McCanns know that the media is the only hope they have of getting their appeals printed in papers, not just in the United Kingdom but worldwide. 

The McCanns put themselves on the front line and even though the press published stories that were totally false they still need the media to get the message home that Madeleine is missing. 

If Amaral thinks it highly suspicious then he is totally mistaken.  One thing the McCanns have shown is that the media can help you and in a way the McCanns have set a precedent on how to use social media on appeals for missing people.

A policeman may in his mind think the chances of finding a missing child, after 6 years alive, are pretty slim.  But in his heart he prays and hopes his fears are unfounded.  One thing they do NOT do is flaunt themselves on TV, write books that clearly state the child is dead. 

And before people jump up and down saying Amaral has never said that Madeleine McCann is definitely dead, he has.  The foreward in his book clearly states it.

Goncalo Amaral's actions in my opinion, has caused harm to the search.  The anti McCanns, who hero-worship this ex-detective, are clear examples of how they believe everything he says and totally ignore the words of DCI Andy Redwood who states that Madeleine could be alive.
Well said!

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2013, 11:06:05 PM »
There was no social media appeals in this case from anywhere, facebook  and twitterwas not then what it is today

As I said before, Madeleines story and image was in the news  all day every day in many countries right from day one...and for months and then years....you are flogging a dead horse IMO to suggest her disappearance was not publicised enough by Mr Amaral, if it wasnt, despite him asking permission aganst some policy to publicise it!, everyone else did it for the PJ, so as I said a bit of a pointless thread

You really are a devil for twisting things. Nowhere do I say there was social media appeals in 2007.

And you are now I feel deliberately avoiding the issue at the heart of the thread. It is NOT about the McCann case but about missing child cases in general, no matter how often you fail to realise that.

Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2013, 11:06:20 PM »
Lets do a little "omnipresent" test shall we?
Stats as of a few minutes ago;-
 
Faithlilly
Total Time Spent Online: 17 days, 2 hours and 36 minutes.

Anne
Total Time Spent Online: 35 days, 17 hours and 3 minutes.

Redblossom
Total Time Spent Online: 22 days, 14 hours and 50 minutes.

Compare with-

Gilet
Total Time Spent Online: 8 days, 7 hours and 41 minutes.

Mo Stache
Total Time Spent Online: 4 days, 19 hours and 4 minutes.

means nothing....gilet was not posting on this forum for a good while, if you compare day to day posts I bet she/he has posted more than anyone else in the last few days
 @)(++(*

silly stats hey?




AnneGuedes

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2013, 11:07:48 PM »
Common Law is different from Romano-Germanic Law. No reconstruction in front of cameras with actors here, but reconstitution with the protagonists in front of PJ inspectors. No wild launching appeals through the tabloids (to get hundred of sightings 100% sure because a little blond one was seen with big dark wolf), but pondered announcement to strategic institutions.

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2013, 11:08:23 PM »
I can tell you that Portuguese TV reported this intensively. I never watch TV but at the time my children watched and I learnt this through them. I remember saying "they took the only one who would be able to describe them".

That is an extremely interesting quote you have given us from your children but it clearly did not come from what this thread is about, an appeal about the missing child. I think you are confusing the idea of a TV news story and an appeal. I suspect Luz is doing the same.

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2013, 11:08:49 PM »
means nothing....gilet was not posting on this forum for a good while, if you compare day to day posts I bet she/he has posted more than anyone else in the last few days
 @)(++(*

silly stats hey?
Oh dear!! Have you just re read what you posted? You admit Gilet hasn't been around for a good while, i.e. how can he then be accused of being "omnipresent"? Stat's dont lie.

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2013, 11:09:13 PM »
The truth of the matter is simply cultural differences.  As a Brit, we pride ourselves, on keeping the stiff upper lip and fight tooth and nail to get to the truth and our goals.  The McCanns have a daughter missing.  The McCanns, through contacts and consular help set up a worldwide campaign to find their daughter and used certain anniversaries to promote a new appeal.

The McCanns have used social media.  Something that is a valuable tool in the 21st century to get appeals spread far and wide.  And they have used it to its full effect in hope that Madeleine will be found.  The McCanns have used the media to get the word out about their appeals.   The media in all earnest, used the McCanns to sell papers, but instead of shying away from media, the McCanns know that the media is the only hope they have of getting their appeals printed in papers, not just in the United Kingdom but worldwide. 

The McCanns put themselves on the front line and even though the press published stories that were totally false they still need the media to get the message home that Madeleine is missing. 

If Amaral thinks it highly suspicious then he is totally mistaken.  One thing the McCanns have shown is that the media can help you and in a way the McCanns have set a precedent on how to use social media on appeals for missing people.

A policeman may in his mind think the chances of finding a missing child, after 6 years alive, are pretty slim.  But in his heart he prays and hopes his fears are unfounded.  One thing they do NOT do is flaunt themselves on TV, write books that clearly state the child is dead. 

And before people jump up and down saying Amaral has never said that Madeleine McCann is definitely dead, he has.  The foreward in his book clearly states it.

Goncalo Amaral's actions in my opinion, has caused harm to the search.  The anti McCanns, who hero-worship this ex-detective, are clear examples of how they believe everything he says and totally ignore the words of DCI Andy Redwood who states that Madeleine could be alive.
Very good points.

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2013, 11:10:22 PM »
Are you sure about that?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_32.jpg

And the authorisation

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm#p2p452

That reads to me as if Goncalo Amaral was asking permission the day after Madeleine disappeared.  Please provide proof that the PJ didn't want to release details.

The myth Montclair is offering has been debunked many times. Your information here is quite correct.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2013, 11:10:42 PM »
means nothing....gilet was not posting on this forum for a good while, if you compare day to day posts I bet she/he has posted more than anyone else in the last few days
 @)(++(*

silly stats hey?
I almost never log out, without necessarily being there.

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2013, 11:11:29 PM »
means nothing....gilet was not posting on this forum for a good while, if you compare day to day posts I bet she/he has posted more than anyone else in the last few days
 @)(++(*

silly stats hey?

It means one thing for certain. The allegation that I am omnipresent here was unjustified garbage.

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2013, 11:13:27 PM »
I almost never log out, without necessarily being there.
Another one who just shot themselves in the foot. Your reply has just proved that you ARE "omnipresent". You are here all the time. So consumed and addicted you can't log out? 

Lyall

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2013, 11:14:48 PM »
The myth Montclair is offering has been debunked many times. Your information here is quite correct.

Is it a myth? There's a difference between mentioning it and using it in a worldwide multimedia campaign.

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2013, 11:15:02 PM »
It means one thing for certain. The allegation that I am omnipresent here was unjustified garbage.
8((()*/

AnneGuedes

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2013, 11:15:31 PM »

I learnt through my children what had happened in Praia da Luz. It didn't pass my mind to investigate how they learnt about it.

Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #59 on: September 24, 2013, 11:15:49 PM »
You really are a devil for twisting things. Nowhere do I say there was social media appeals in 2007.

And you are now I feel deliberately avoiding the issue at the heart of the thread. It is NOT about the McCann case but about missing child cases in general, no matter how often you fail to realise that.

If its about missing people in general then why bring in the Madeleine case a specific example of not been afforded all these publicity avenues
You should remember in all this  Madeleine has been the MOST PUBLICISED missing child in the world
So your argument as I said falls down from the beginning, give it up
What the Portuguese authorities thinkings about publication is or isnt I dont know and why...amaral certainly wanted to go against it.....seeing as he sent a memo pdq on 4th may to allow publicity...to say in Britain we do this and that and its better, maybe,  I dont know, you would have to compare countey stats for missing people found, but as I said, whole thread is an  unadulterated Amaral bash, naughty, when even you concede it wasnt after all about HIM, tryharder next time, we aint all stupid