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Offline faithlilly

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2013, 11:57:26 PM »
So you admit the omnipresent tag was inappropriate and abusive.
And by timing, what exactly do you mean?

I post when I have time available.

No I don't admit it was inappropriate. At this moment in time it is very appropriate

And your available time just happens to coincide with the McCanns need for some positive propaganda.

Handy eh ?  @)(++(*
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Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2013, 12:05:32 AM »
We are supposed to believe Anne's transcripts from the court?

Her grasp of English is sadly lacking I'm afraid.

Add to that her sceptics postings then I really can't value anything she says.

Sorry.

Then dont read or quote any of her reports, simple, just read the papers,  ohhang on, theres nothng there for some reason

Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2013, 12:09:18 AM »
No I don't admit it was inappropriate. At this moment in time it is very appropriate

And your available time just happens to coincide with the McCanns need for some positive propaganda.

Handy eh ?  @)(++(*

only it aint working

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2013, 12:09:56 AM »
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Last year, the Huffington Post saved my daughter's life.

Late last year, my 13-year-old daughter ran away. It was only through a grassroots social media campaign and an article in the Huffington Post that my family was able to garner enough attention to find her.

So said Tony Loftis in this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-loftis/find-your-missing-child_b_2370160.html

And Amaral and his colleagues believe that having to deal with the information generated by such appeals is a waste of time and money?

I simply cannot understand how anyone can justify that stance when there is a chance that a child's life could be saved.

Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2013, 12:13:20 AM »
Flogging a dead horse, sigh

Offline Angelo222

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2013, 12:17:18 AM »
We are supposed to believe Anne's transcripts from the court?

Her grasp of English is sadly lacking I'm afraid.

Add to that her sceptics postings then I really can't value anything she says.

Sorry.

A very disingenuous comment Neeley which says more about you.  Anne is bilingual and possibly trilingual so your observation is worthless.  Those reports from the lions den in Lisbon must really be getting up the pros noses.
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Lyall

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #96 on: September 25, 2013, 12:21:04 AM »
So said Tony Loftis in this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-loftis/find-your-missing-child_b_2370160.html

And Amaral and his colleagues believe that having to deal with the information generated by such appeals is a waste of time and money?

I simply cannot understand how anyone can justify that stance when there is a chance that a child's life could be saved.

I'm sure it's from the viewpoint of efficiency of an investigation. Information overload helps nobody, least of all the child.

It's probably what did happen in this case as police wouldn't have been prepared for the massive media and public involvement - no police in any country would have been.

It's easy for those not involved to criticise, but the officials on the ground have to rewrite the rules and think on their feet in high profile cases like these. It was exactly the same for British police at Soham.

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2013, 12:25:42 AM »
Flogging a dead horse, sigh

Not at all. The very fact that you have replied in the way you have done when the thread is about the way in which media blitzes for public assistance can save the lives of children and the fact that certain people see such media campaigns as a waste of time and money, says a great deal about the attitude of anti McCanns such as yourself.

I believe that Amaral and his colleagues are wrong and that if these campaigns generate information which must be sifted by police that is a good thing. It is not a waste of time and money.

The very fact that children are found because of these campaigns means that they are valuable because the welfare of the child is paramount.

I am sorry that your comments show that you feel such matters are of no importance.

Offline Luz

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2013, 12:27:21 AM »
The truth of the matter is simply cultural differences.  As a Brit, we pride ourselves, on keeping the stiff upper lip and fight tooth and nail to get to the truth and our goals.  The McCanns have a daughter missing.  The McCanns, through contacts and consular help set up a worldwide campaign to find their daughter and used certain anniversaries to promote a new appeal.

The McCanns have used social media.  Something that is a valuable tool in the 21st century to get appeals spread far and wide.  And they have used it to its full effect in hope that Madeleine will be found.  The McCanns have used the media to get the word out about their appeals.   The media in all earnest, used the McCanns to sell papers, but instead of shying away from media, the McCanns know that the media is the only hope they have of getting their appeals printed in papers, not just in the United Kingdom but worldwide. 

The McCanns put themselves on the front line and even though the press published stories that were totally false they still need the media to get the message home that Madeleine is missing. 

If Amaral thinks it highly suspicious then he is totally mistaken.  One thing the McCanns have shown is that the media can help you and in a way the McCanns have set a precedent on how to use social media on appeals for missing people.

A policeman may in his mind think the chances of finding a missing child, after 6 years alive, are pretty slim.  But in his heart he prays and hopes his fears are unfounded.  One thing they do NOT do is flaunt themselves on TV, write books that clearly state the child is dead. 

And before people jump up and down saying Amaral has never said that Madeleine McCann is definitely dead, he has.  The foreward in his book clearly states it.

Goncalo Amaral's actions in my opinion, has caused harm to the search.  The anti McCanns, who hero-worship this ex-detective, are clear examples of how they believe everything he says and totally ignore the words of DCI Andy Redwood who states that Madeleine could be alive.

The McCann's course of action has nothing to do with being Brits but with a primal defense mechanism. When in danger freeze or fight forward. They chose to fight and are now paying for their idiocy.

Their choices were never made in order to find their daughter but to defend themselves, otherwise they would have listened to those that knew better than them. They were so afraid that they attempted to destroy any chance of their daughter being found. One can only wonder why.

In my opinion they fought back because there is some guilt feeling about the disappearance of the child.
What originated that guilt I do not know.

But their aggressiveness, their continuous need to be acknowledged by the Media, their desperation to find a scapegoat to attack, their constant work towards maintaining an image of victimized persons, when the true victim is systematically forgotten, is very telling.

If Madeleine's disappearance had not occurred in another country, I'm sure they would have been forensically scrutinized by now. But, and here you are right - some Brits are xenophobic disguised in proud - it's inadmissible for the British empowerment to accept the interference of another country, even when a child's life is at stake.

Like them you prefer to use a scapegoat instead of looking at the facts.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2013, 12:31:14 AM by Luz »

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2013, 12:28:18 AM »
I'm sure it's from the viewpoint of efficiency of an investigation. Information overload helps nobody, least of all the child.

It's probably what did happen in this case as police wouldn't have been prepared for the massive media and public involvement - no police in any country would have been.

It's easy for those not involved to criticise, but the officials on the ground have to rewrite the rules and think on their feet in high profile cases like these. It was exactly the same for British police at Soham.

Again the vital point is missed. Amaral is not specifying the McCann case as your post implies. His comment is general.

Are you suggesting as Amaral is that such campaigns are a waste of time and money?
Surely a missing child deserves whatever resources can be made available?
Do you, personally, believe such campaigns should be encouraged or discouraged?

Lyall

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #100 on: September 25, 2013, 12:30:47 AM »
Again the vital point is missed. Amaral is not specifying the McCann case as your post implies. His comment is general.

Are you suggesting as Amaral is that such campaigns are a waste of time and money?
Surely a missing child deserves whatever resources can be made available?
Do you, personally, believe such campaigns should be encouraged or discouraged?

Managed is the word gilet. As I say information overload is the very worst thing that can happen.

Redblossom

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #101 on: September 25, 2013, 12:34:31 AM »
Managed is the word gilet. As I say information overload is the very worst thing that can happen.

Gerry indeed enjoyed the mass of information and reporting  and misreporting so no one knew what was true or not, oh dear
 >@@(*&)

thats  me done for the night here



Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #102 on: September 25, 2013, 12:39:29 AM »
The McCann's course of action has nothing to do with being Brits but with a primal defense mechanism. When in danger freeze or fight forward. They chose to fight and are now paying for their idiocy.

Their choices were never made in order to find their daughter but to defend themselves, otherwise they would have listened to those that knew better than them. They were so afraid that they attempted to destroy any chance of their daughter being found. One can only wonder why.

In my opinion they fought back because there is some guilt feeling about the disappearance of the child.
What originated that guilt I do not know.

But their aggressiveness, their continuous need to be acknowledged by the Media, their desperation to find a scapegoat to attack, their constant work towards maintaining an image of victimized persons, when the true victim is systematically forgotten, is very telling.

If Madeleine's disappearance had not occurred in another country, I'm sure they would have been forensically scrutinized by now. But, and here you are right - some Brits are xenophobic disguised in proud - it's inadmissible for the British empowerment to accept the interference of another country, even when a child's life is at stake.

Like them you prefer to use a scapegoat instead of looking at the facts.

This whole post is based on an assumption. And shows that you cannot accept other viewpoints.
DANGER?
What danger? Ah, yes you presume guilt.

And the only evidence you proffer?
Oh, they didn't listen to advice. What advice would that have been?
Advice from police not to issue information that the PJ had already issued perhaps?


Or was it a different kind of emotion?
Simple desperation about their missing child and yes, guilt for not having been there for her? The emotions which over and over again they have spoken of but which you (having already presumed their guilt) have refused to listen to.

And your recourse to the idea that xenophobia is the root of the McCanns actions is beneath contempt.


Lyall

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Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #103 on: September 25, 2013, 12:42:09 AM »
Gerry indeed enjoyed the mass of information and reporting  and misreporting so no one knew what was true or not, oh dear
 >@@(*&)

thats  me done for the night here

I think that's very much Mr Amaral's view Red >@@(*&)

But 'tis just a theory (in case Isabel Duarte is reading)

Offline gilet

Re: Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?
« Reply #104 on: September 25, 2013, 12:43:05 AM »
Managed is the word gilet. As I say information overload is the very worst thing that can happen.

You swerved the question.

Do you disagree with Amaral and believe that these media campaigns are a good thing (as they clearly do sometimes lead to the child being found) or do you agree with the man and think they are a waste of time and money?

And if you want to pursue the question of management, then do you acknowledge that as amateurs, the McCanns had no option but to attempt to manage the campaign and as soon as possible bring in professional help because the Portuguese Police were not going to do it?