Are Amaral's views the best for a missing child case?

[Angelo222]

If Anne is bilingual why are her reports posted to John to translate?

Is it ok to use the words pros and [ censored word]?

I said she was bilingual, I didn't say she was 100% proficient in English.  John doesn't translate them, he edits them since a literal translation from Portuguese to English would make for difficult reading.

Everybody uses the terms pros and [ censored word] so it seems to be acceptable. 

[gilet]

Gerry indeed enjoyed the mass of information and reporting  and misreporting so no one knew what was true or not, oh dear
 >@@(*&)

thats  me done for the night here

What an appalling thing to say!

your posting of an implication that there was a campaign of misinformation without providing a shred of evidence for that is what I have come to expect from anti McCanns.

[gilet]

I said she was bilingual, I didn't say she was 100% proficient in English.  John doesn't translate them, he edits them since a literal translation from Portuguese to English would make for difficult reading.

Everybody uses the terms pros and [ censored word] so it seems to be acceptable.

Well even though it is a very intriguing way of coming to a report, its the best that anyone has, as a record so far of what went on in the court room.

But I am glad you are not trying to claim that she is 100% proficient in English. That would be a step too far. My view is that her English is pretty good, especially when she does not try to over-impress.

[Lyall]

You swerved the question.

Do you disagree with Amaral and believe that these media campaigns are a good thing (as they clearly do sometimes lead to the child being found) or do you agree with the man and think they are a waste of time and money?

And if you want to pursue the question of management, then do you acknowledge that as amateurs, the McCanns had no option but to attempt to manage the campaign and as soon as possible bring in professional help because the Portuguese Police were not going to do it?

As soon as possible? There was a small army of advisors, diplomats, PR etc. there within a day. And British TV and another army of journalists were there by the next day.

I'd like to see the actual comments of Mr Amaral and/or his colleagues that you are referring to.

The police clearly didn't like doing press conferences the way British police do, but as has been pointed out Portuguese TV and papers were certainly publicising the disappearance. But by the Saturday the police were in the middle of a media occupation, and they clearly weren't ready for that - no police anywhere would be: the case was unprecedented.

[Redblossom]

What an appalling thing to say!

your posting of an implication that there was a campaign of misinformation without providing a shred of evidence for that is what I have come to expect from anti McCanns.

HIS WORDS not mine!

And I dont give a hoot what you expect or not

Seeing as you are so aufait with the case you will KNOW where he said that! Give you 24 hours to find it then I mighthave to come and take u out your misery, se ya now

[gilet]

As soon as possible? There was a small army of advisors, diplomats, PR etc. there within a day. And British TV and another army of journalists were there by the next day.

I'd like to see the actual comments of Mr Amaral and/or his colleagues that you are referring to.

The police clearly didn't like doing press conferences the way British police do, but as has been pointed out Portuguese TV and papers were certainly publicising the disappearance. But by the Saturday the police were in the middle of a media occupation, and they clearly weren't ready for that - no police anywhere would be: the case was unprecedented.

The initial advisors were brought in by OC and Mark Warner. Management by the McCanns came later.

The actual comments are in the OP.

I am sorry but I simply disagree with the conclusion of your last paragraph. I believe that some other Police forces would have done the managing of the initial media storm and that would have benefited everyone.

I see you have swerved the question again by asking to see the comments from Amaral which are in the OP. I will refrain from repeating the question till you have read the OP and come back.

[gilet]

HIS WORDS not mine!

And I dont give a hoot what you expect or not

Seeing as you are so aufait with the case you will KNOW where he said that! Give you 24 hours to find it then I mighthave to come and take u out your misery, se ya now

Seriously?

You think Gerry referred to himself?

This is what you are referring to. Are you seriously trying to say that Gerry said these words? You really are being rather silly in suggesting that.

Gerry indeed enjoyed the mass of information and reporting  and misreporting so no one knew what was true or not, oh dear
 >@@(*&)

thats  me done for the night here

It is you, in that post, implying that there was a deliberate attempt to misinform and it is you who is still failing to provide evidence for that claim.

My expectations have been reinforced once again.

[Lyall]

The initial advisors were brought in by OC and Mark Warner. Management by the McCanns came later.

The actual comments are in the OP.

I am sorry but I simply disagree with the conclusion of your last paragraph. I believe that some other Police forces would have done the managing of the initial media storm and that would have benefited everyone.

I see you have swerved the question again by asking to see the comments from Amaral which are in the OP. I will refrain from repeating the question till you have read the OP and come back.

Yes, he means the efficiency of investigations. But he was a policeman from a previous generation, before the internet, phones etc. Thinking is probably a lot different now.

[Lyall]

The initial advisors were brought in by OC and Mark Warner. Management by the McCanns came later.

The actual comments are in the OP.

I am sorry but I simply disagree with the conclusion of your last paragraph. I believe that some other Police forces would have done the managing of the initial media storm and that would have benefited everyone.

I see you have swerved the question again by asking to see the comments from Amaral which are in the OP. I will refrain from repeating the question till you have read the OP and come back.

But he might have a point though? If everybody takes photos with their phones of every blonde haired child they see in the street, police would be forever chasing those leads and get nothing else done. Information overload.

[Lyall]

It's obviously not an easy job gilet, and one with huge responsibility and stress when an event like Madeleine's disappearance happens. They can only do what they think is the right thing, and try their best.

[gilet]

Yes, he means the efficiency of investigations. But he was a policeman from a previous generation, before the internet, phones etc. Thinking is probably a lot different now.

Possibly his training was pre-internet but I suspect phones were available then even in Portugal. :)
But I am not simply talking about phones or the internet. The big media then was television and there is no evidence whatsoever in the early stages that the PJ made any attempt to manage any kind of campaign via television. They were very badly prepared for it and I honestly think forces in other countries would have dealt with the situation better.
Do you really think the way in which the PJ would handle the case has now changed? What evidence do you have for thinking that or do you just hope it has changed?

The crucial point though is whether the collation and interpretation of information by the police which could save the life of a missing child is a waste of time and effort as Amaral states?

I will now repeat the question as you still have avoided it.

Do you think Amaral is right or do you think that such campaigns are valuable and should be encouraged?

[gilet]

But he might have a point though? If everybody takes photos with their phones of every blonde haired child they see in the street, police would be forever chasing those leads and get nothing else done. Information overload.

That is why it should be a police-managed campaign. They can guide the public better than the emotional and desperate parents who will plead and beg that every scrap of information, however miniscule the connection to the child might be, should be sent in.

That is how our Police in the UK, for example, handle the situation. They ask for specific kinds of information which have most relevance. And we do not find UK police simply shrugging their shoulders and saying that the task is a waste of effort and money. They go that step further for missing children.

[Lyall]

Possibly his training was pre-internet but I suspect phones were available then even in Portugal. :)
But I am not simply talking about phones or the internet. The big media then was television and there is no evidence whatsoever in the early stages that the PJ made any attempt to manage any kind of campaign via television. They were very badly prepared for it and I honestly think forces in other countries would have dealt with the situation better.
Do you really think the way in which the PJ would handle the case has now changed? What evidence do you have for thinking that or do you just hope it has changed?

The crucial point though is whether the collation and interpretation of information by the police which could save the life of a missing child is a waste of time and effort as Amaral states?

I will now repeat the question as you still have avoided it.

Do you think Amaral is right or do you think that such campaigns are valuable and should be encouraged?

I mean mobile phones of course

I have answered the question - information overload is the biggest worry for an investigation. It's a balance between appealing for information and being able to deal with it efficiently.

It's exactly the same problem for any police anywhere in the world.

Police will also have to consider if a missing child has been kidnapped for ransom, and if they believe so then publicity may not be the best thing. I think the PJ considered this in Madeleine's case?

It's not as easy as you seem to be thinking.

[gilet]

It's obviously not an easy job gilet, and one with huge responsibility and stress when an event like Madeleine's disappearance happens. They can only do what they think is the right thing, and try their best.

It most certainly is not an easy job.

But the logical conclusion from Amaral's remarks is that campaigns to involve the public are a waste of time and effort. That simply is not true as shown by the two cases (there are more I can post) where such campaigns have had resounding success.

Do you think UK police would agree with Amaral or do you think they would want such campaigns to take place?

Do you agree with Amaral or do you think such campaigns are valuable?

And do you agree that they are best managed by the police and it was this lack of police leadership which caused some of the problems in the McCann case?

[gilet]

I mean mobile phones of course

I have answered the question - information overload is the biggest worry for an investigation. It's a balance between appealing for information and being able to deal with it efficiently.

It's exactly the same problem for any police anywhere in the world.

Police will also have to consider if a missing child has been kidnapped for ransom, and if they believe so then publicity may not be the best thing. I think the PJ considered this in Madeleine's case?

It's not as easy as you seem to be thinking.

I am not thinking it is easy at all. It is probably one of the most difficult tasks in policing but it is not (in my view) as Amaral says a waste of time and money.