What is it? Persecution or Harassment

[TTSOFAFM]

I think you have the wrong end of the stick, icabod.  Speak your mind as long as you don't libel anyone or accuse people of crimes without evidence to back it up.

Some people don't grasp the fact that by Tony Bennett going to court the Judge accepted the conclusions of the archiving dispatch (as it was used in court) and therefore ruled against Tony Bennett because the archiving dispatch clearly stated that no crimes had been committed by Kate and Gerry McCann.

That is why Bennett lost, the judge accepted the Archiving Dispatch as evidence.  The Judge even went on to clarify Article 10.

The right to freedom of expression, whether at common law or under Art 10, is not an absolute right that prevails over all others.

Many of the above things I listed, were NOT one offs.  Many were orchestrated by the Madeleine Foundation under the guidance of Mr Tony Bennett and Ms Deborah Butler, with the backing of a vast majority of anti-McCanns.

[TTSOFAFM]

It makes it very hard to hold conversations with some people if they fail to grasp the difference between "you" as in "hey, you're Kate McCann!" and "you" as in "all of you who support the McCanns", i.e. "your side" as opposed to "our side"...

Just clarifying C.Edwards after all Gilet, I think was asked, on this forum, if they were an acquaintance of the McCanns.

[Lyall]

Some people don't grasp the fact that by Tony Bennett going to court the Judge accepted the conclusions of the archiving dispatch (as it was used in court) and therefore ruled against Tony Bennett because the archiving dispatch clearly stated that no crimes had been committed by Kate and Gerry McCann.

That is why Bennett lost, the judge accepted the Archiving Dispatch as evidence.  The Judge even went on to clarify Article 10.

That's not why he lost. I think by mentioning those things the Judge was also saying he would lose on the libel issue as well if he decided to test it, but he lost his case in February simply because he breached the terms of a previous court order.

Many of the above things I listed, were NOT one offs.  Many were orchestrated by the Madeleine Foundation under the guidance of Mr Tony Bennett and Ms Deborah Butler, with the backing of a vast majority of anti-McCanns.

That simply isn't true. Most had nothing to do with the 'foundation'.

[icabodcrane]

Some people don't grasp the fact that by Tony Bennett going to court the Judge accepted the conclusions of the archiving dispatch (as it was used in court) and therefore ruled against Tony Bennett because the archiving dispatch clearly stated that no crimes had been committed by Kate and Gerry McCann.

That is why Bennett lost, the judge accepted the Archiving Dispatch as evidence.  The Judge even went on to clarify Article 10.

Many of the above things I listed, were NOT one offs.  Many were orchestrated by the Madeleine Foundation under the guidance of Mr Tony Bennett and Ms Deborah Butler, with the backing of a vast majority of anti-McCanns.

I thought Bennet was taken to court (  and found guilty  )   for breaking legal  undertakings he had made previously 

I did not follow that case closely though,  and may be wrong

My own personal opinion, however,  is that the  'leafleting campaign'  was utterly wrong  and was, indeed,  a form of direct harassment

[Rachel Granada]

That's not why he lost. I think by mentioning those things the Judge was also saying he would lose on the libel issue as well if he decided to test it, but he lost his case in February simply because he breached the terms of a previous court order.

That simply isn't true. Most had nothing to do with the 'foundation'.

I'm afraid it is true, Lyall.  The leafleting, the letter to the GMC, the E-mail to social services, the visit to the Glenfield, the stalking of Gerry McCann to that committee meeting.  All the handiwork of the foundation.

[Lyall]

I'm afraid it is true, Lyall.  The leafleting, the letter to the GMC, the E-mail to social services, the visit to the Glenfield, the stalking of Gerry McCann to that committee meeting.  All the handiwork of the foundation.

It's not true they had the support of the "vast majority", as TT said.

[Lyall]

I'm afraid it is true, Lyall.  The leafleting, the letter to the GMC, the E-mail to social services, the visit to the Glenfield, the stalking of Gerry McCann to that committee meeting.  All the handiwork of the foundation.

There were furious efforts in debates to try to get them not to do these things, and over the contents of the booklet.

[TTSOFAFM]

That simply isn't true. Most had nothing to do with the 'foundation'.

Are you sure?


Leafleting their neighbours. Madeleine Foundation

Leaving leaflets at Gerry McCann's work place.  Madeleine Foundation

Sending a book to them and then saying because they never replied to it, it is OK to repeat those accusations because the family have not denied them.  Madeleine Foundation

Writing to social services about the welfare of the twins.  Madeleine Foundation

Sitting behind Gerry McCann at the press select hearing, just to intimidate him.  Madeleine Foundation

Heckling the father of a missing child in Portugal.  Portuguese Citizens

Ripping down posters. Portuguese Citizens

Plots to kidnap the twins to make them confess.  Forum Poster

People jumping over the garden fence.   Unknown

A person standing in front of their home having their photograph taken. Madeleine Foundation

Being constantly accused of harming their daughter.  Madeleine Foundation Forum Poster

Being constantly accused of defrauding the Find Madeleine Fund.  Madeleine Foundation Forum Poster

GMC being contacted as to whether the McCanns were fit to practice medicine. (Thank you Rachael Granada for remembering this one. Promoted by Madeleine Foundation Forum Poster

Seems to me as if the Madeleine Foundation, under the guidance of Tony Bennett was involved in the vast majority of things I quoted.

[Rachel Granada]

It's not true they had the support of the "vast majority", as TT said.

OK, fair enough - I read your post wrong, sorry. But as you can see from TT's post above, the foundation were behind much of the stalking and harassment.

[Lyall]

OK, fair enough - I read your post wrong, sorry.

No worries

[Lyall]

Most people had nothing to do with the 'foundation' TT.

(we know what they got up to, but it didn't have majority support. Forums split and closed over their activities)

[carlymichelle]

No worries

the vast mojority of so  called  us anti   disagreed with   all of that stuff

[TTSOFAFM]

Another insight into law from Judge Tugendhat about compiling facts.  Again taken from the Judgement with regards to Tony Bennett

In my judgment breach #14 (16 April 2011) is proved. A list of factual statements can carry an inferential meaning additional to the literal meaning of each fact, and that is very clearly the case here. I am satisfied that the posting bears meaning (b) and (ca). It would in any event bear meaning (cb).

[Lyall]

the vast mojority of so  called  us anti   disagreed with   all of that stuff

[icabodcrane]

Are you sure?


Leafleting their neighbours. Madeleine Foundation

Leaving leaflets at Gerry McCann's work place.  Madeleine Foundation

Sending a book to them and then saying because they never replied to it, it is OK to repeat those accusations because the family have not denied them.  Madeleine Foundation

Writing to social services about the welfare of the twins.  Madeleine Foundation

Sitting behind Gerry McCann at the press select hearing, just to intimidate him.  Madeleine Foundation

Heckling the father of a missing child in Portugal.  Portuguese Citizens

Ripping down posters. Portuguese Citizens

Plots to kidnap the twins to make them confess.  Forum Poster

People jumping over the garden fence.   Unknown

A person standing in front of their home having their photograph taken. Madeleine Foundation

Being constantly accused of harming their daughter.  Madeleine Foundation Forum Poster

Being constantly accused of defrauding the Find Madeleine Fund.  Madeleine Foundation Forum Poster

GMC being contacted as to whether the McCanns were fit to practice medicine. (Thank you Rachael Granada for remembering this one. Promoted by Madeleine Foundation Forum Poster

Seems to me as if the Madeleine Foundation, under the guidance of Tony Bennett was involved in the vast majority of things I quoted.

I am glad you have acknowledged that the unpleasant  activities you quoted in the op were the responsibility of a handful of obsessive individuals and that it  in no way reflects on others who question the McCann's version of events