Why didn't the McCanns ask that the case not be shelved?

[AnneGuedes]

The judiciary holidays in 2008 started on the 29th of July and finished on the 1st of September. The 20 days are working days.

[Redblossom]

According to Kate Mccan in her book they were happy it was closed as they didnt think there was anything much of an investigation going on anyway...and obviously if the case was kept open wouldnt they remain arguidos? (that last bit was my comment, not somethng in the book)

[AnneGuedes]

According to Kate Mccan in her book they were happy it was closed as they didnt think there was anything much of an investigation going on anyway...and obviously if the case was kept open wouldnt they remain arguidos? (that last bit was my comment, not somethng in the book)

I don't think they could have that statute prolonged, they would have been assistants, which gives more or less the same rights. But some solution should have been found on the reconstitution topic because it had been a request of the MP and hadn't been achieved.

[DCI]

Have you a source about their existence ?
About the way the McCanns got them, you presume.. But you remember how the LC reacted when their files were requested..

They were given 81 pieces of information.

Anne how do you remember how the LC reacted when their files were requested?..

[Luz]

As quite a few posters here have stated that the archiving document exonerates the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter, I was wondering then why the parents did not object to the shelving of the investigation. The Portuguese authorities had even extended the official deadline to give the parents more time to think about it. Since, for some, they are no longer suspects and have been officially cleared, there should have been no problem to keep the case open and go to the "fase de instrução". With the parents no longer "suspects", the investigators would have been able to concentrate on the abduction theory and might have found Maddie and her abductor.

Therefore, I ask the question once again: Why did Kate and Gerry McCann allow the case to be shelved?

The archiving report doesn't exonerate the McCann, in fact it refers that they failed to prove their innocence (as can be read in the translation this Forum makes available in the documents sector).
I cannot read their minds and so I don't know why they didn't request for the investigation to continue.  Nevertheless, as a normal human being I can only understand that choice as one made by people that feared the results that the continuation of the investigation could bring to them.

For persons that stated that they would never return to the UK until they found their daughter, the fact that they ran like rabbits, asking the British journalists to fill their EasyJet plane, immediately after being made arguidos, is quite revealing.

[TTSOFAFM]

So you think that the Portuguese judicial systems stinks? What a xenophobic remark!

Did I actually say the Portuguese Judicial System stinks?  No.  What I was getting at, is this concept that it only takes a letter and a stamp. 

What I was trying to clarify was simply this, if the McCanns wrote a letter with just the words, 'Please do not archive the case', that would have been sufficient for the Portuguese Public Ministry to reopen the case.

Surely the Public Ministry would have wanted to know why the McCanns thought the case should not be archived and on what grounds.  And for them to do that they would have had to read thousands of pages, crossed reference one piece of information to see if the lead had been followed up.  And the only way the McCanns could do this was by having the files translated into their native language.

So my remark is not xenophobic.  And by the way, there have been many comments accusing our Government of being corrupt, police forces being corrupt and remarks from Portuguese posters saying our Police are protecting the McCanns and it is a disgrace how the McCanns are being protected, by officials in both Government and Law Enforcements.  Are they not xenophobic comments? 

[Montclair]

Did I actually say the Portuguese Judicial System stinks?  No.  What I was getting at, is this concept that it only takes a letter and a stamp. 

What I was trying to clarify was simply this, if the McCanns wrote a letter with just the words, 'Please do not archive the case', that would have been sufficient for the Portuguese Public Ministry to reopen the case.

Surely the Public Ministry would have wanted to know why the McCanns thought the case should not be archived and on what grounds.  And for them to do that they would have had to read thousands of pages, crossed reference one piece of information to see if the lead had been followed up.  And the only way the McCanns could do this was by having the files translated into their native language.

So my remark is not xenophobic.  And by the way, there have been many comments accusing our Government of being corrupt, police forces being corrupt and remarks from Portuguese posters saying our Police are protecting the McCanns and it is a disgrace how the McCanns are being protected, by officials in both Government and Law Enforcements.  Are they not xenophobic comments?

As I said before, the McCanns had lawyers here in Portugal and they could have dealt with this matter. It wasn't as if they had to make this decision all by their lonesome without any legal support.

This was not the case of sending a letter to the Ministério Público because this was during the period before the case was actually shelved. All they had to do was inform the lawyer of their decision and he would have taken care of the legal procedures.

[gilet]

The archiving report doesn't exonerate the McCann, in fact it refers that they failed to prove their innocence (as can be read in the translation this Forum makes available in the documents sector).
I cannot read their minds and so I don't know why they didn't request for the investigation to continue.  Nevertheless, as a normal human being I can only understand that choice as one made by people that feared the results that the continuation of the investigation could bring to them.

For persons that stated that they would never return to the UK until they found their daughter, the fact that they ran like rabbits, asking the British journalists to fill their EasyJet plane, immediately after being made arguidos, is quite revealing.

We have gone beyond the AG report. SY have stated categorically having reviewed everything that the McCanns are not persons of interest in the case. They are not being investigated.

Your terminology about the departure of the McCanns is the kind of thing to be expected from people who have made up their minds about guilt without any proof.  That is what is truly revealing.

[Luz]

Montclair, after the trouble they had to get it archived they would never require that it was kept open.

I don't know if you read the news about the Labour Milliband campaign, but it was quite revealing how the Labour Government intervened in this case. As a reminder, Ed Milliband and Gordon Brown arrived an hour late to the signing of the Lisbon Treaty, and the UK-PM only signed it after talking with  the PT-PM.

Yesterday, Eddie Miliband in his campaign discourse accused Cameron of putting Murdoch above the McCann [http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/24/labour-race-to-the-top-ed-miliband, forgetting that it was Cameron that ordered a 5 million pounds "investigation" (?!!!!), as if the McCann were any national priority!

[gilet]

Montclair, after the trouble they had to get it archived they would never require that it was kept open.

I don't know if you read the news about the Labour Milliband campaign, but it was quite revealing how the Labour Government intervened in this case. As a reminder, Ed Milliband and Gordon Brown arrived an hour late to the signing of the Lisbon Treaty, and the UK-PM only signed it after talking with  the PT-PM.

Yesterday, Eddie Miliband in his campaign discourse accused Cameron of putting Murdoch above the McCann [http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/24/labour-race-to-the-top-ed-miliband, forgetting that it was Cameron that ordered a 5 million pounds "investigation" (?!!!!), as if the McCann were any national priority!

Please explain with evidence how the McCanns got the case archived. That is totally ridiculous and very revealing of your standpoint.

Secondly do you have any actual evidence about the conversations of Brown and your Prime Minister or are you just guessing as anti McCanns so frequently do and repeating the claims of the disgraced ex-cop Amaral?

And please explain why you think it is so odd that Milliband should express concern over the fact that Cameron put the interests of Murdoch (a foreign citizen whose business empire was at the time and still is embroiled in major criminal cases) over those of one of his own citizens against whom there are no criminal charges and according to PT authorities not a shred of evidence of any crime by them? I find it totally perverse that Cameron should have done such a thing. 

[Redblossom]

Please explain with evidence how the McCanns got the case archived. That is totally ridiculous and very revealing of your standpoint.

Secondly do you have any actual evidence about the conversations of Brown and your Prime Minister or are you just guessing as anti McCanns so frequently do and repeating the claims of the disgraced ex-cop Amaral?

And please explain why you think it is so odd that Milliband should express concern over the fact that Cameron put the interests of Murdoch (a foreign citizen whose business empire was at the time and still is embroiled in major criminal cases) over those of one of his own citizens against whom there are no criminal charges and according to PT authorities not a shred of evidence of any crime by them? I find it totally perverse that Cameron should have done such a thing.

Millipede has no idea.......it was the Murdochs SUN that supported thr Mccanns for years, doh

[Montclair]

Montclair, after the trouble they had to get it archived they would never require that it was kept open.

I don't know if you read the news about the Labour Milliband campaign, but it was quite revealing how the Labour Government intervened in this case. As a reminder, Ed Milliband and Gordon Brown arrived an hour late to the signing of the Lisbon Treaty, and the UK-PM only signed it after talking with  the PT-PM.

Yesterday, Eddie Miliband in his campaign discourse accused Cameron of putting Murdoch above the McCann [http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/24/labour-race-to-the-top-ed-miliband, forgetting that it was Cameron that ordered a 5 million pounds "investigation" (?!!!!), as if the McCann were any national priority!

It was David Miliband, Ed Miliband's brother, who campaigned on behalf the McCanns at the time of the signing of the Lisbon Treaty. IMO, Ed has no idea of what was in the investigation and is just playing to the crowd, very badly too. He doesn't even realise how much Murdoch and his empire helped the couple.

[AnneGuedes]

They were given 81 pieces of information.

Anne how do you remember how the LC reacted when their files were requested?..

They were given 81 pieces of information they actually had provided the LC with. This wasn't what they pretended to obtain and you know that.
You know why I remember the episode ? Because Mr Justice Hogg invoked the wrath of God on the perpetrators ! I thought I was hallucinating.

[AnneGuedes]

We have gone beyond the AG report. SY have stated categorically having reviewed everything that the McCanns are not persons of interest in the case. They are not being investigated.

No, definitively no. What you're suggesting might happen in the future though. But for now no entity has gone beyond the AG report. SY may investigate everything they require and the Portuguese authorities will certainly help, but they'll have to bring to the MP the evidence they'll eventually find, in order to  reopen the case. Without evidence and on its own authority SY will not be able to establish x or y isn't and will never be person of interest.

[faithlilly]

It wasn't in a newspaper, it was in court 

So were you in court DCI ? Or did you read it in a newspaper report ?