Is the realease of police files a good thing?

[gilet]

Are you really this dense?

Having posted today that Redwood never mentioned stranger abduction and actually pointed to the section on video where he can clearly be seen mentioning stranger abduction I think Redblossom answered the question earlier. 

Fewer more dense posts can have hastily been deleted by mods at the behest of the poster than that one.

[Lyall]

Gilet, what Redwood said is completely irrelevant in Lisbon, unless he is appearing as a witness. Is he?

[gilet]

Yes that would be the second best outcome -Obviously finding Madeleine and who took her would be the best outcome.

Correct. I find it appalling that anti McCanns always forget the real issue here is a missing child and there is no proof whatsoever that she is dead. That would be the best way to re-open the case for Madeleine to be found.

[Luz]

Just for the record I agree 100% with Kate McCann on this issue.

It is disgraceful, in my opinion that the files of this case were released in the way they were and that illegally, they have been published in the way they have been.

Such a release will most certainly have deterred (and will in the future deter) others from volunteering information to the PJ.

In Portugal every criminal or civil process is public, by law, once the investigation is completed or archived.
Unlike we have been accused of, Portugal is a democratic country and it doesn't keep secret judicial cases.
If I recall well, it was the McCann that complained about the secrecy of justice, so why are they complaining now that everybody has access to the process?!

Maybe they wished to be the only ones to have access to it in order to distort and sell to the newspapers whatever served them the best.

[gilet]

Gilet, what Redwood said is completely irrelevant in Lisbon, unless he is appearing as a witness. Is he?

It is irrelevant to the case in Lisbon yes. But it was entirely relevant to the thread which redblossom started as it was in fact the OP of that thread and the entire focus of that thread. It demonstrated that she simply did not even bother to listen to the video which she brought here and asked us to comment on.

[Lyall]

It is irrelevant to the case in Lisbon yes. But it was entirely relevant to the thread which redblossom started as it was in fact the OP of that thread and the entire focus of that thread. It demonstrated that she simply did not even bother to listen to the video which she brought here and asked us to comment on.

Ok, fair enough. I must admit I haven't watched the video either (or not for a long time anyway).

[gilet]

In Portugal every criminal or civil process is public, by law, once the investigation is completed or archived.
Unlike we have been accused of, Portugal is a democratic country and it doesn't keep secret judicial cases.
If I recall, it was the McCann that complained about the secrecy of justice, so why are they complaining now that everybody has access to the process?!

I understand that. But this case was treated as a unique case.
When all other cases are archived or completed the case becomes public by allowing journalists and other people with permission to access the files in a central place.
The complete un-redacted files are not normally released on DVD with personal information such as names, addresses, ages, names of children, phone numbers etc and then with the encouragement of "journalists"like Duarte Levy placed in their entirety on the Internet.

Do you believe that this case is typical of the Portuguese system?
Do you acknowledge that no other case has ever been dealt with in this way?

And most importantly do you honestly believe that witnesses who have committed no crime, never been accused of any crime such as the many dozens of witnesses who simply gave statemtents as holidaymakers in your country should have had their personal details splashed across the Internet? Why have the Portuguese Authorities not dealt with the individuals illegally doing this with the information they released.

And finally do you personally condone this exposure of these personal details of people unconnected to the case other than by chance that they were in PDL that week.

I think that is disgusting. And I am disgusted that the Portuguese Authorities have condoned it.

[Luz]

The disclosure of police and court files is normal in Portugal and is done in the name transparency. It is important that everyone knows what the courts decide or what the police do. Perhaps you might think that it is normal to have secret courts in Britain but that idea does not exist here. And it certainly does not put off people from cooperating and volunteering information. Just because our system is different from the British does not make it worse. I'm sorry that the concept of transparency bothered Kate and Gerry.

They would rather keep on lying. Bad luck for them that everything was revealed.

[Luz]

Correct. I find it appalling that anti McCanns always forget the real issue here is a missing child and there is no proof whatsoever that she is dead. That would be the best way to re-open the case for Madeleine to be found.

Nope. It's you that keep forgetting that there was a little child that vanished.

Instead of trying to find out what happened to her you waste all your energies in attacking the PJ, Amaral, the portuguese, inflating the McCann parents as if they have never been close to that child or responsible for her.
Shame on you.

[gilet]

They would rather keep on lying. Bad luck for them that everything was revealed.

That is a gross distortion of what posters here have said.

From that post I presume you condone what I asked about in my previous post.

The release of extremely personal information (with all the security and fraud risks that entails) of children and adults alike as was uniquely done in a wholly uncontrolled way in this case by the Portuguese Authorities is not something I would ever agree with.

I have no criticism whatsoever of the way in which all other cases in Portugal are made public.

It is only this case that was dealt with in this disgraceful way. And the Portuguese Authorities have not once attempted to control the illegal distribution of the information they released.

[Luz]

Once again, if the McCann parents had wished to have the portuguese investigation open they had 20 days to do it without any trouble other than stating so. Even now they have a possibility to re-open that if they volunteer to do a reconstitution.

Why don't they do it?

I tell you: because they never wanted the investigation to reach an end.

[gilet]

Nope. It's you that keep forgetting that there was a little child that vanished.

Instead of trying to find out what happened to her you waste all your energies in attacking the PJ, Amaral, the portuguese, inflating the McCann parents as if they have never been close to that child or responsible for her.
Shame on you.

You have twisted that completely to serve your defence of the disgraced ex-cop, Amaral.

What any sentient poster can see I am doing here is defending the child against the attacks from people like Amaral and those like you who peddle his lies about the child.

For example it simply is not true as Amaral claims in his book that Madeleine McCann is definitely dead.

I defend her against lies such as that. You peddle the same lies as that disgraced ex-cop.

[Luz]

That is a gross distortion of what posters here have said.

From that post I presume you condone what I asked about in my previous post.

The release of extremely personal information (with all the security and fraud risks that entails) of children and adults alike as was uniquely done in a wholly uncontrolled way in this case by the Portuguese Authorities is not something I would ever agree with.

I have no criticism whatsoever of the way in which all other cases in Portugal are made public.

It is only this case that was dealt with in this disgraceful way. And the Portuguese Authorities have not once attempted to control the illegal distribution of the information they released.

No personal information was released, it wasn't even approved to be investigated, unfortunately.

[gilet]

Once again, if the McCann parents had wished to have the portuguese investigation open they had 29 days to do it without any trouble other than stating so. Even now they have a possibility to re-open that if they volunteer to do a reconstitution.

Why don't they do it?

I tell you: because they never wanted the investigation to reach an end.

Simple.

They were given an impossible time scale. 20 days to sift through the tens of thousands of pages in a foreign language to determine a basis for appealing the archival (which in itself was due to time constraints not genuine policing reasons).

And if you do not understand that a much more valuable IT reconstruction has already almost certainly been done as part of the review/inquiry then I am sorry but it is the kind of work our police do regularly.

[Luz]

You have twisted that completely to serve your defence of the disgraced ex-cop, Amaral.

What any sentient poster can see I am doing here is defending the child against the attacks from people like Amaral and those like you who peddle his lies about the child.

For example it simply is not true as Amaral claims in his book that Madeleine McCann is definitely dead.

I defend her against lies such as that. You peddle the same lies as that disgraced ex-cop.

I am not defending anyone, it's you that blindly appear to be defending the McCann parents.
I defend the right for a small child to be found and to have justice.