Fatal accidents in the home versus abductions. Is there are comparison?

[Mr Gray]

you have managed to supply one example, not the thousand hits from google that you expected, fatal accidents in the home, not involving stairs or fires are incredibly rare. Stranger abduction from the home is almost certainly more common  IMO

Can you prove me wrong

[Redblossom]

you have managed to supply one example, not the thousand hits from google that you expected, fatal accidents in the home, not involving stairs or fires are incredibly rare. Stranger abduction from the home is almost certainly more common  IMO

Can you prove me wrong

Last time Im going to say it, you made the statement, you are the one who has to back it up....others have tried to help by showing evidence that in one year 120 children died as a result of a home injury...the only abduction data states 68..... Which is about half and that is not EVEN from home...give it up

[C.Edwards]

Have we had this in here yet?

(yes it's for America, but even so I think it has relevance)

Abductions in perspective:

Number of children age 2 – 14 killed in car accidents, as passengers: 1300
Number of children killed each year by family members and acquaintances: About 1000
Number of children abducted in “stereotypical kidnappings” (kidnapped by a stranger for ransom or for sexual purposes and/or transported away) in 1999, the most recent year for which we have statistics: 115.
Number of those children killed by their abductor: About 50.

Murders of children by abductors constitute less than one half of 1% of all murders in America.
Stranger Danger?

Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2005 –

31% were killed by fathers
29% were killed by mothers
23% were killed by male acquaintances
7% were killed by other relatives
3% were killed by strangers

Moral: Your safest bet is to leave your child with a stranger.
SOURCE: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/children.cfm

There is approximately one child abduction murder for every 10,000 reports of a missing child. (Source: Polly Klaas Foundation: http://www.pollyklaas.org/media/pdf/Abduction-Homicide-Study.pdf)

Put it another way: The Department of Justice reports that of the 800,000 children reported “missing” in the United States each year, 115 are the result of “stereotypical kidnapping” — a stranger snatching the child. About 90 percent of abductees return home within 24 hours and the vast majority are teenage runaways.

For more statistics and an analysis of the number of children reported missing versus the number of children actually abducted by strangers, please see the Second National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway and Thrownaway Children conducted by the Department of Juvenile Justice & Deliquency Prevention: http://www.ncjrs.gov/html/o[Name removed]dp/nismart/03/ns5.html

Source: http://www.freerangekids.com/crime-statistics/

And this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/117692.stm (from 1998 but still relevant)

And this:

Figures from the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) show that from 1995 to 2004, the
overall rate of abductions and assaults in Australia rose from 2.5 to 3.8 victims per 100,000 of
population. Teenagers comprise a significantly majority of these victims, with females aged
fifteen to nineteen years at the greatest risk of harm. Abductions of younger children by non-
family members are relatively uncommon; of the 768 abductions recorded in 2004, only 5.86% or
forty-five abductions were of children aged nine years or younger (AIC 2005). The majority of
child harm reported to authorities is child abuse by family members or close acquaintances
(Australian Bureau of Statistics 2009). Even more so than traffic accidents, this data suggests that
abduction does not constitute a significant threat to children in Australia.

Yeah, Australia's not the UK or Portugal, I know...

I'd say Davel is talking out of an orifice other than his mouth personally and is unable to backtrack from an indefensible position. Funny watching the squirming though.

[Mr Gray]

Have we had this in here yet?

(yes it's for America, but even so I think it has relevance)

Source: http://www.freerangekids.com/crime-statistics/

And this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/117692.stm (from 1998 but still relevant)

And this:
Yeah, Australia's not the UK or Portugal, I know...

I'd say Davel is talking out of an orifice other than his mouth personally and is unable to backtrack from an indefensible position. Funny watching the squirming though.

I think you are accusing me of talking out of my arse, don't be coy..say it like it is. I imagine you are an expert at this but I can assure you it is something I dont do.

[Mr Gray]

Edwards seems unable to have a discussion without resorting to insults. He behaves like a child, or more probably an elderly person reverting to childhood. he will now go crying to the mods claiming he is being insulted

[Redblossom]

Have we had this in here yet?

(yes it's for America, but even so I think it has relevance)

Source: http://www.freerangekids.com/crime-statistics/

And this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/117692.stm (from 1998 but still relevant)

And this:
Yeah, Australia's not the UK or Portugal, I know...

I'd say Davel is talking out of an orifice other than his mouth personally and is unable to backtrack from an indefensible position. Funny watching the squirming though.

Just goes to show stranger abduction and or killing of children is so very rare and the majority of child abductions/deaths are by family members or friends or associates....something we all know anyway....statistics do speak....they may not speak for individual cases....but they are an info tool that police use....still...there is nothing to suggest Madeleine Mccann did notsuffer some sort of fatal accident, something which was more likely than being abucted from her bed by a stranger...unless davel can prove otherwise

[Cariad]

lets just get straight what I actually said


Now that is entirely different to abductions are more common than fatal accidents

It's snipped your quote, but basically you added the proviso of it not involving stairs or fire.

"Falls are the most common accidents, which can cause serious injury at any time of life. Fifty-five per cent of accidental injuries in the home involve falls"

http://www.rospa.com/homesafety/adviceandinformation/general/facts-figures.aspx


I'm going to be excessively kind to you and remove 55% of the 120 deaths (despite the citation saying falls, not stairs and accidents not fatalities) leaving a total of 54 deaths.

I'm going to be generous again and leave in the sole example of the one child taken from the bath as a successful stranger abduction from the home, even though he was known to the family and invited inside the dwelling.

The fiures now read 54 v's 1.

If you wish to disagree with this total davel, you'll need to supply your own figures to back it up.

[icabodcrane]

It's snipped your quote, but basically you added the proviso of it not involving stairs or fire.

"Falls are the most common accidents, which can cause serious injury at any time of life. Fifty-five per cent of accidental injuries in the home involve falls"

http://www.rospa.com/homesafety/adviceandinformation/general/facts-figures.aspx


I'm going to be excessively kind to you and remove 55% of the 120 deaths (despite the citation saying falls, not stairs and accidents not fatalities) leaving a total of 54 deaths.

I'm going to be generous again and leave in the sole example of the one child taken from the bath as a successful stranger abduction from the home, even though he was known to the family and invited inside the dwelling.

The fiures now read 54 v's 1.

If you wish to disagree with this total davel, you'll need to supply your own figures to back it up.

You've stuck doggedly to the topic of the thread  ( depite attempts at distraction  )  and you've evolved it beautifully  ...  well done cariad

[Cariad]

You've stuck doggedly to the topic of the thread  ( depite attempts at distraction  )  and you've evolved it beautifully  ...  well done cariad

What you haven't seen is me repeated banging my head against the desk in front of me crying "why won't he see reason, why! why!!!"

 

[icabodcrane]

What you haven't seen is me repeated banging my head against the desk in front of me crying "why won't he see reason, why! why!!!"

 

I can imagine   

[Redblossom]

What you haven't seen is me repeated banging my head against the desk in front of me crying "why won't he see reason, why! why!!!"

 

The ONLY reason is because he believes Maddie Mccann was abducted and nothing can shake that belief, ecen has to post nonsense to back it up

[John]

Edwards seems unable to have a discussion without resorting to insults. He behaves like a child, or more probably an elderly person reverting to childhood. he will now go crying to the mods claiming he is being insulted

Let's all keep calm guys and gals.  Emotions are running high at the moment so let's please think before posting.  TY