Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?

[Montclair]

HOLMES has already been used to reconstruct times. Nothing new will be added after six years that would increase reliability.

A digital reconstruction using the statements from the persons involved made here in Portugal showed that it was impossible for someone to have abducted Madeleine. However, nothing can replace using the persons involved in the case when doing a reconstruction.

[Victoria]

I wasn't suggesting this. I just answered to your "I think it's clear from reading his book that Amaral simply didn't have the dynamic mind and mental flexibility to handle an investigation as complex as the one he found himself presented with."
If it's clear for you, it's clear for anybody and this trial is absurd unless it gives money to the McCanns.

The fact that a false statement is clearly untrue shouldn't prevent it from being actionable. And fortunately doesn't.

[Montclair]

The fact that a false statement is clearly untrue shouldn't prevent it from being actionable. And fortunately doesn't.

When are you going to acknowledge the fact that you are wrong when you state that Gonçalo Amaral handled the investigation?

[Victoria]

When are you going to acknowledge the fact that you are wrong when you state that Gonçalo Amaral handled the investigation?

My dear fellow, whatever do you mean? According to his own book, Amaral played a key part in the original investigation. At least, until he was removed by his dissatisfied superiors.

[AnneGuedes]

HOLMES is surely a very useful device. But I wonder what HOLMES could make out of the fact that the police, and not the right one, was called 40 minutes after the alert. 
As it was observed by Icabodcrane, Mr McCann only in September, and because he was asked why he didn't do physical research, told he had gone to the secondary reception (on top of which was Madeleine's creche) without taking advantage of being there to make sure the police had been called (and then it hadn't yet been). How can HOLMES process this ?

[AnneGuedes]

The fact that a false statement is clearly untrue shouldn't prevent it from being actionable. And fortunately doesn't.

I see that you've not understood the objective of this trial.

[Benice]

My dear fellow, whatever do you mean? According to his own book, Amaral played a key part in the original investigation. At least, until he was removed by his dissatisfied superiors.

Quite.     This is own description of his job in his book

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 ''I have been living for a year in this town, where I lead the Department of Criminal Investigation of the police judiciaire.''
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He was the Lead Investigator in the McCann case - and to claim otherwise is plainly wrong.   Could a police officer who was NOT in charge have ordered his men to follow the UK police when they arrived and report their every move back to him?   I doubt it.

[Luz]

Ok. So from all that has been said we must conclude that nor the parents or the friends, the last persons that could account for the whereabouts of Madeleine, had nothing important to give to the investigation. Their only obligation was to provide some simple explanations, no matter if they were incomplete or not, because it was up to the investigators to be psychics to determine what had really occurred that evening prior and after the child went missing.

Stupid PJs, why weren't they psychics?  Why didn't they visualize in their minds what had happened? Why did they keep bothering the poor Tapas9?! Stupid morons, it was the GNR and the PJ that made Madeleine disappear, why question the parents?

Sometimes I wonder what people think that could be done when a person disappears. Should one leave it at that and just close the case so nobody is bothered to help?

[Luz]

Do you understand what a poor debating technique that is. Unworthy of any other response than this brickbat.

If you and some other persons question the request to do a reconstitution because there were discrepancies in the statements, what can one assume from your position? It's obvious that you defend that nobody should be questioned, unless they are thwarty looking foreigners, probably!

P.S. Humbly I can say I had 20 out of 20 in a  "rhetorica" exercise in high school.

[Luz]

But I prefer dialectics,...

Waiting calmly for any argument worth considering.

[stephen25000]

You prefer avoiding debate by any method. Could be that you know you would lose if you engaged in real debate.

To deBUNK or not to deBUNK, THAT IS THE QUESTION ? >@@(*&)

[Montclair]

Quite.     This is own description of his job in his book

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 ''I have been living for a year in this town, where I lead the Department of Criminal Investigation of the police judiciaire.''
Unquote

He was the Lead Investigator in the McCann case - and to claim otherwise is plainly wrong.   Could a police officer who was NOT in charge have ordered his men to follow the UK police when they arrived and report their every move back to him?   I doubt it.

What you are saying is incorrect! He was the head of his department but he was not the lead investigator and I am not wrong when I say this. As I have said so many times the judges in the Ministério Público lead the investigations not the police. He was the coordinator and it was his job to receive the reports from the other police officers after they carried out their tasks and pass them to the judges. He had no authority in how the investigation was to be run. As an example, after the judges made their decision, his job was to decide which officers were to go to the pet crematorium, which car to take and how much money to take, etc. He did take an on hands approach in many cases but he did not lead any of them, he was not allowed by law. If he did take any initiatives on his own, they would never be validated and any PJ officer knows this.

[Rachel Granada]

What you are saying is incorrect! He was the head of his department but he was not the lead investigator and I am not wrong when I say this. As I have said so many times the judges in the Ministério Público lead the investigations not the police. He was the coordinator and it was his job to receive the reports from the other police officers after they carried out their tasks and pass them to the judges. He had no authority in how the investigation was to be run. As an example, after the judges made their decision, his job was to decide which officers were to go to the pet crematorium, which car to take and how much money to take, etc. He did take an on hands approach in many cases but he did not lead any of them, he was not allowed by law. If he did take any initiatives on his own, they would never be validated and any PJ officer knows this.

A "hands on" approach where he never even met or spoke to the parents of the missing child....

[Carana]

What you are saying is incorrect! He was the head of his department but he was not the lead investigator and I am not wrong when I say this. As I have said so many times the judges in the Ministério Público lead the investigations not the police. He was the coordinator and it was his job to receive the reports from the other police officers after they carried out their tasks and pass them to the judges. He had no authority in how the investigation was to be run. As an example, after the judges made their decision, his job was to decide which officers were to go to the pet crematorium, which car to take and how much money to take, etc. He did take an on hands approach in many cases but he did not lead any of them, he was not allowed by law. If he did take any initiatives on his own, they would never be validated and any PJ officer knows this.

So what are you saying? That he was just a glorified office boy?

[John]

Dr Amaral was responsible for the detectives under his control, he had to sign off on their work.  His involvement as Coordinator on the Joana Cipriano murder case gained him a criminal record since he was the one who approved the detectives false reports. The detectives were answerable to him and he in turn to the Superior Coordinator and thence to the judges.

Dr Amaral had the equivalent rank of a Det Chief Superintendent so claiming he was some sort of glorified officeboy just doesn't cut it.

He was a detective first and foremost, then a Senior Detective and finally a Coordinator of Detectives.  Had it not been for the furore over the Madeleine case he was due to be promoted to Superior Coordinator.