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Offline John

Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 01:36:58 PM »
The major point is she told Lizzie about the murders before she finished with Bamber. So the pack of lies by a woman scorned scenario doesn't work!

Also she told police Bamber hired a hitman and named him because Bamber told her that. Again not the actions of a liar.

I don't know if everyone has read through Julies diary fully but at the final meeting in London on 4 September 1985,  Julie phoned Jeremy and told him that she was going over to see him at Sheila's Maida Vale flat. Julie arrived on time but Jeremy accompanied by Brett Collins arrived late.

They initially went to a cafe across the road before returning to the flat.  Whilst Julie was there Virginia telephoned, there was an almighty confrontation between Julie and Jeremy during which Julie smashed a mirror and slapped Jeremy. He twisted her arm up her back and made to hit her.  She told him "Go on + I'll go straight to Essex Police!"

Julie met up with DS Stan Jones three days later in Colchester Police Station and spent the next four days assisting the police with their enquiries.


Tells you it all really!
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

invictus

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Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2012, 01:38:06 PM »
Stan Jones wasn't surprised when he heard from Julie though. When he was told she had come to the station he said 'I think she is finally going to cough' (admit Bamber did it).

Stan definitley was the man; he thought Bamber was guilty from the start and actually got himself in trouble contradicting his boss Taff Jones who thought it was an open and shut murder/suicide.

Good police work Stan!

When Julie did tell the whole story everyone who heard it believed her. All the police in numerous interviews, the family and most crucially the jury. No Porsche for Mr. Bamber!

Offline Angelo222

Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2012, 01:38:53 PM »
Maybe he has a corgi model of one in his cell to remind him what it was all for.  I feel sorry for him in a funnt sort of way.  If he had only behaved and done what Neville and June asked him to do he might have his own family of Bambers by now. 
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

invictus

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Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2012, 01:39:55 PM »
He would be a rich man now and maybe even a granddad.

I wonder how many other lifes he stopped that night too; Sheila was still young and she loved kids and the twins would probably have had a few by now.

There's a Porsche garage down the road from me; I might pop in and get a brochure and send it to him in Full Sutton!  ;D Just to cheer him up of course! 

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Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2012, 01:41:12 PM »
But, of course, it wouldn't be a Bamber family, would it? It would be another nest of cuckoos. Rubbing more salt into Boutflour wounds. Why should Jeremy inherit the land that Neville had worked hard to keep? Jeremy had no feel for the land. He must have broken Neville's heart.

Offline John

Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2012, 01:42:10 PM »
But, of course, it wouldn't be a Bamber family, would it? It would be another nest of cuckoos. Rubbing more salt into Boutflour wounds. Why should Jeremy inherit the land that Neville had worked hard to keep? Jeremy had no feel for the land. He must have broken Neville's heart.


You have to understand Lady Antebellum that Neville didn't own the land, he was a leaseholder which means that he had a long term right to work the farm as long as he paid rent to the actual owner and kept the farm and buildings, house etc in good order.

I have noticed that many people have made this mistake, I also made it before I had investigated the issue.  Jeremy would have inherited the right to work the farm and to reside there, not the farm itself.

Hope this explains things.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

invictus

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Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2012, 01:43:18 PM »
But, of course, it wouldn't be a Bamber family, would it? It would be another nest of cuckoos. Rubbing more salt into Boutflour wounds. Why should Jeremy inherit the land that Neville had worked hard to keep? Jeremy had no feel for the land. He must have broken Neville's heart.
Well said Lady A ..... nest of cuckoos! It's a shame Bamber was ever born .... his real parents didn't want him then and don't want to know him now.

Bamber was born unwanted and will die an abandoned scumbag in prison! That's what you get for shooting kiddies to death.

 
« Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 01:44:26 PM by John »

Lady Antebellum

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Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 01:45:12 PM »
But, of course, it wouldn't be a Bamber family, would it? It would be another nest of cuckoos. Rubbing more salt into Boutflour wounds. Why should Jeremy inherit the land that Neville had worked hard to keep? Jeremy had no feel for the land. He must have broken Neville's heart.
Well said Lady A ..... nest of cuckoos! It's a shame Bamber was ever born .... his real parents didn't want him then and don't want to know him now.

Bamber was born unwanted and will die an abandoned scumbag in prison! That's what you get for shooting kiddies to death.


Thank you. So what exactly did Jeremy expect to inherit? Obviously the goodies from the farmhouse, antiques, clocks, etc., but did he want the kudos of being Lord of the manor? Was that his plan? Or did he want to grow more drugs?

Lady Antebellum

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Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2012, 01:46:12 PM »
From what I've read on the Tesko forum, there are 2 facts that will maintain Bamber's guilt. Neville didn't make a phone call, and Sheila showed no physical signs of gunshots and battling with Neville.QED.

Offline John

Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2012, 01:49:51 PM »
But, of course, it wouldn't be a Bamber family, would it? It would be another nest of cuckoos. Rubbing more salt into Boutflour wounds. Why should Jeremy inherit the land that Neville had worked hard to keep? Jeremy had no feel for the land. He must have broken Neville's heart.
Well said Lady A ..... nest of cuckoos! It's a shame Bamber was ever born .... his real parents didn't want him then and don't want to know him now.

Bamber was born unwanted and will die an abandoned scumbag in prison! That's what you get for shooting kiddies to death.


Thank you. So what exactly did Jeremy expect to inherit? Obviously the goodies from the farmhouse, antiques, clocks, etc., but did he want the kudos of being Lord of the manor? Was that his plan? Or did he want to grow more drugs?


He would have inherited Neville and June's personal investments and that of Granny Speakman which included shares in Osea Road caravan site.  Also some farm land which Neville had purchased and all the farm equipment, cars, house in Goldhanger etc.. Did you all know that granny Speakman was too ill even to give a statement to police.  Bamber effectively killed her to, the poor woman was distraught.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

invictus

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Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2012, 01:51:47 PM »
From what I've read on the Tesko forum, there are 2 facts that will maintain Bamber's guilt. Neville didn't make a phone call, and Sheila showed no physical signs of gunshots and battling with Neville.QED.

That and Sheila's DNA proven blood in the silencer in the gun cupboard. Those are the facts that condemn Bamber .... you can add to that a mountain of circumstantial evidence like Julie's testimony, the phone call timings, Bamber's behaviour, etc.

I don't understand how anyone can read the facts and not be convinced of his guilt. Thankfully the jury and all the appeal court judges were convinced. The CCRC will be as well very soon!
« Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 01:52:12 PM by John »

Offline John

Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2012, 01:53:35 PM »
But, of course, it wouldn't be a Bamber family, would it? It would be another nest of cuckoos. Rubbing more salt into Boutflour wounds. Why should Jeremy inherit the land that Neville had worked hard to keep? Jeremy had no feel for the land. He must have broken Neville's heart.
Well said Lady A ..... nest of cuckoos! It's a shame Bamber was ever born .... his real parents didn't want him then and don't want to know him now.

Bamber was born unwanted and will die an abandoned scumbag in prison! That's what you get for shooting kiddies to death.


Thank you. So what exactly did Jeremy expect to inherit? Obviously the goodies from the farmhouse, antiques, clocks, etc., but did he want the kudos of being Lord of the manor? Was that his plan? Or did he want to grow more drugs?


There was a big inheritance. Neville/June's share in the caravan park worth a lot of money. Antiques and money. Sheilas flat in London, Jeremy's house in Goldhanger, many other business and property interests of Neville. The grandmother Speakman's will.

Bamber wanted to be a playboy not a farmer!
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Admin

Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2012, 02:29:57 PM »
It just makes you wonder how things could have turned out had he not turned to murder to get the things he obviously craved.

Offline Angelo222

Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2012, 02:33:30 PM »
I find julies diary entries intriguing and although we have only seen a few pages so far it is obvious that she was on the verge of a breakdown and all because of bamber.  How pathetic and sick are the comments we all read on the bamber forum saying that julie was callous and was milking it basically.  Julie was out of her mind when she went to Liz she didn't want to believe that the love of her life could do such a thing but as time went by she began to realize that he was a psychopath and incable of feeling anything.  Poor julie had fallen for a murderer and she could be next at any time.


Bamber kept telling her that it was done and dusted and not to worry.  Obviously he wasn't capable of worrying and this is most evident by his actions following the murders.  Taff Jones saw through him early on but was overruled by his superior but Taff got there in the end.  Good old fashioned policing by a top copper. 
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

jamie dow

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Re: You can discuss Julie Mugford's diaries here
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2012, 02:34:43 PM »
These diary entries certainly make a complete mockery of the "woman scorned" theory that is such a major part of Tesko's defence of Bamber. Very, very enlightening.