Did the Joana Cipriano murder inquiry unduly influence the Madeleine one?

[Matthew Wyse]

jokes aside benny hill >> in most cases that is exactly where detectives compare notes.   don't you know a policeman is never off duty!??   

Where does he co-ordinate from?



THE PUB 

[Benita]

jokes aside benny hill >> in most cases that is exactly where detectives compare notes.   don't you know a policeman is never off duty!??   

if you say so  8-)(--)

[Redblossom]

jokes aside benny hill >> in most cases that is exactly where detectives compare notes.   don't you know a policeman is never off duty!??   

its a 24/7 job for sure being a detective

[Lyall]

Where does he co-ordinate from?

Same place DCI Redwood currently co-ordinates from? >@@(*&) An office?!

[Luz]

wrong quote



Quote from: Benita on Today at 11:42:34 AM

Where does he co-ordinate from?



THE PUB 




That's more the kind of place from where   the McCann exerted their vigilance on their babies.

[Matthew Wyse]

have none of you ever heard the expression once a cop always a cop! ??

its a 24/7 job for sure being a detective

[Luz]

have none of you ever heard the expression once a cop always a cop! ??

Of course cops are 24/7 on duty. You cannot disconnect your brain. But as Montclair said, the Polícia Judiciária is a very special branch. They cannot do anything relevant to a case unless previously availed and authorized by the Judge designated by the Public Ministry. Maybe that is one of the reasons that in Portugal, the PJ is still one of the most respected police branches.

Policia Judiciária is the only Criminal Police duly availed and authorized by an independent authority - the Public Ministry. And that's why Marinho Pinto hates them so much. They are not easily manipulated by political or interest lobbies.

Unlike the SY that is too close to the Government, the PJ has nothing to do with the Portuguese Government - we still defend the independence between the 3 powers. PJ is under the Judicial Power.

[Benita]

If you say so  8-)(--)

[Carana]

Apart from their graphic confessions, what evidence is there? What corroborated them?

Excellent question...

[LagosBen]

Of course cops are 24/7 on duty. You cannot disconnect your brain. But as Montclair said, the Polícia Judiciária is a very special branch. They cannot do anything relevant to a case unless previously availed and authorized by the Judge designated by the Public Ministry. Maybe that is one of the reasons that in Portugal, the PJ is still one of the most respected police branches.

Policia Judiciária is the only Criminal Police duly availed and authorized by an independent authority - the Public Ministry. And that's why Marinho Pinto hates them so much. They are not easily manipulated by political or interest lobbies.

Unlike the SY that is too close to the Government, the PJ has nothing to do with the Portuguese Government - we still defend the independence between the 3 powers. PJ is under the Judicial Power.

Who employed Cristovao, Amaral, Almedes ?

[Redblossom]

I believe one of the pieces of evidence was that the shoes the child was wearing when they went out to the shops were found in the house after her *disappearance*

remember this disappearance was not reported to police until well after midnight.....so you send your 8 yr old child  to the corner shop at around  8 pm and wait hours to do something about her not being back? IIRC it was not even her mum who contacted police......someone will know the details

[sadie]

I believe one of the pieces of evidence was that the shoes the child was wearing when they went out to the shops were found in the house after her *disappearance*

remember this disappearance was not reported to police until well after midnight.....so you send your 8 yr old child  to the corner shop at around  8 pm and wait hours to do something about her not being back? IIRC it was not even her mum who contacted police......someone will know the details

Disinformation about the shoes put out?  Remember Amaral is a court case proven liar.

Twas a carnival type day in Figueira.  Leonor had other young children including a toddler.  How was she to go to the police?   She thought and hoped that Joana had visited her grandma at the nearby village

[Benice]

I believe one of the pieces of evidence was that the shoes the child was wearing when they went out to the shops were found in the house after her *disappearance*

remember this disappearance was not reported to police until well after midnight.....so you send your 8 yr old child  to the corner shop at around  8 pm and wait hours to do something about her not being back? IIRC it was not even her mum who contacted police......someone will know the details

I believe there was a Fair in the 'village'.  IIRC Leanor Cipriano  reported her concerns to a GNR officer she met whilst serching who told her to come to the police station the next morning if her daughter had not reappeared. 

[Benice]

Gonçalo Amaral's role was not that of directing the investigation. In Portugal, the PJ works with the judicial system, that is why it is called the judiciary police. The concept of a lead investigator does not exist as it is the Ministério Público and the judges who work along with the detectives to solve the crime. Also, the judges are there to ensure that all steps are done in accordance with the law.

So who was it who led the investigating team at the police station and was physically situated there in charge of them?  There must have been someone directing the men on what to do next - even if he had his own office away from them. 

[Benice]

So who was it who led the investigating team at the police station and was physically situated there in charge of them?  There must have been someone directing the men on what to do next - even if he had his own office away from them.

No takers??