Anyone have any idea what redwoods revelation was??

[Mr Gray]

This is looking even more significant a breakthrough than I first hoped. How advanced was triangulation back in 2007? How precisely are they able to place phones within the town? And perhaps more importantly, did they also gather data from surrounding areas, or is it available now, in order to see not just who was in PDL at the time in question, but who also left the town that night?

 

[Victoria]

The problem is, although we now have the technology to pinpoint a handset within metres, even if its turned off, this wasn't available in 2007 and I don't see how it could be recovered retrospectively.

It also appears that the Met have been analysing the data that was already available to the PJ which is only from cells in PDL as far as I'm aware. They need to be looking wider, in my opinion, but again can this data be obtained retrospectively?

[Victoria]

They are.

Would the Portuguese legal system have allowed them to cast a wider net though? As I understand it, they take the protection of private information a lot more seriously than we do. I read some interesting information a couple of years ago about the tracking of mobile phones across the US but it relied on the a federal government obtaining this information. Would it happen so easily across Europe? Whose consent would be required?

[Montclair]

They are.

It seems that Russell O'Brien was asked in his rogatory about a call/message he received from Germany. That could be significant.

[Luz]

After this last week’s frenzy with news that are no-news (not to call it fabricated) – 2 german suspects + 1 british arrested + handful of nothing but a ridiculous advert for a TV show – I’m more convinced than ever that Scotland Yard is probably hoping for Sherlock Holmes to come home and put some sense into their chaos (after all, they are still trying to find out who was Jack the Ripper).

But the most astounding news are those that put in question the timeline of events. Considering that such timeline was mainly produced and vouched by Mrs & Mr. McCann and their faithful friends, what does it say about them if their depositions are now questioned or totally dismissed as false?!

Everyone can check the documents, but there is a summary, made by Kazlux for 3 and 4 May 2007) available in http://www.mccannfiles.com/id229.html

Saying that the timeline of events was wrong is saying that all the Tapas forged that timeline, lied to the Police, that is obstructed the chance to find out what occurred with little Madeleine McCann.

Yet, as Mrs. Murphy, the ex-USA Prosecutor said, I make mine her own words:
"I'm not buying it. I think this is more PR than anything," Murphy said. "I think this is all related to a civil suit now underway in Portugal." [ http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/10/10/new-image-suspect-be-released-madeleine-mccann-case ]

In my humble opinion, it's high time people start to think with their own neurons and stop acting like puppets or parrots that are trained (poorly, because as time goes by more and more question the ridiculousness of what is being announced) by whoever runs the Press and the process.

[Mr Gray]

After this last week’s frenzy with news that are no-news (not to call it fabricated) – 2 german suspects + 1 british arrested + handful of nothing but a ridiculous advert for a TV show – I’m more convinced than ever that Scotland Yard is probably hoping for Sherlock Holmes to come home and put some sense into their chaos (after all, they are still trying to find out who was Jack the Ripper).

But the most astounding news are those that put in question the timeline of events. Considering that such timeline was mainly produced and vouched by Mrs & Mr. McCann and their faithful friends, what does it say about them if their depositions are now questioned or totally dismissed as false?!

Everyone can check the documents, but there is a summary, made by Kazlux for 3 and 4 May 2007) available in http://www.mccannfiles.com/id229.html

Saying that the timeline of events was wrong is saying that all the Tapas forged that timeline, lied to the Police, that is obstructed the chance to find out what occurred with little Madeleine McCann.

Yet, as Mrs. Murphy, the ex-USA Prosecutor said, I make mine her own words:
"I'm not buying it. I think this is more PR than anything," Murphy said. "I think this is all related to a civil suit now underway in Portugal." [ http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/10/10/new-image-suspect-be-released-madeleine-mccann-case ]

In my humble opinion, it's high time people start to think with their own neurons and stop acting like puppets or parrots that are trained (poorly, because as time goes by more and more question the ridiculousness of what is being announced) by whoever runs the Press and the process.

it is precisely by thinking things through, not accepting statements at face value but by going back to the source to verify them...by not believing gossip that has no factual basis..by taking a scientific approach to the available evidence...that I can state that there is very, very, little doubt that Maddie was abducted

[Victoria]

it is precisely by thinking things through, not accepting statements at face value but by going back to the source to verify them...by not believing gossip that has no factual basis..by taking a scientific approach to the available evidence...that I can state that there is very, very, little doubt that Maddie was abducted

The evidence supporting the parental coverup theory seems to be a combination of hearsay and rather lurid supposition, the main strands being - Kate was irritated by a police car going too quickly, Gerry was seen sucking a lollipop and David Paye once touched his own nipples.


That's it, really, isn't it. Utter nonsense.

[Lyall]

it is precisely by thinking things through, not accepting statements at face value but by going back to the source to verify them...by not believing gossip that has no factual basis..by taking a scientific approach to the available evidence...that I can state that there is very, very, little doubt that Maddie was abducted

A scientific approach to the available evidence? Show us what evidence you have about what happened between 5.30 and 8.30. Show us the evidence that says she was still alive at the end of that time period.

[Mr Gray]

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[kmc]

After this last week’s frenzy with news that are no-news (not to call it fabricated) – 2 german suspects + 1 british arrested + handful of nothing but a ridiculous advert for a TV show – I’m more convinced than ever that Scotland Yard is probably hoping for Sherlock Holmes to come home and put some sense into their chaos (after all, they are still trying to find out who was Jack the Ripper).

But the most astounding news are those that put in question the timeline of events. Considering that such timeline was mainly produced and vouched by Mrs & Mr. McCann and their faithful friends, what does it say about them if their depositions are now questioned or totally dismissed as false?!

Everyone can check the documents, but there is a summary, made by Kazlux for 3 and 4 May 2007) available in http://www.mccannfiles.com/id229.html

Saying that the timeline of events was wrong is saying that all the Tapas forged that timeline, lied to the Police, that is obstructed the chance to find out what occurred with little Madeleine McCann.

Yet, as Mrs. Murphy, the ex-USA Prosecutor said, I make mine her own words:
"I'm not buying it. I think this is more PR than anything," Murphy said. "I think this is all related to a civil suit now underway in Portugal." [ http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/10/10/new-image-suspect-be-released-madeleine-mccann-case ]

In my humble opinion, it's high time people start to think with their own neurons and stop acting like puppets or parrots that are trained (poorly, because as time goes by more and more question the ridiculousness of what is being announced) by whoever runs the Press and the process.

The vast majority of us have spent the last 6 VERY long years listening to the anti-McCann's diatribe including rants about dogs, cuddle cat, Madeleine herself being a hoax, overdoses etc. etc. etc.    This week can we not allow SY to take "the stand" with an open mind and a bit of grace.  There are always two sides /interpretations of any story and God knows we have all heard and considered more than enough from just ONE side.....

[Victoria]

None of the tapas group had the profile of child abusers, whether sexual or otherwise. They were all happy to let their kids go off with nannies and child minders for most of the day - if they were abusing their children there is no way they would have ceded this much control over their children. Abusers, especially sexual abusers, would spend a lot more to with children when they had the opportunity, and would certainly not have allowed other people access to their children because they would not want to give up a position of control.

So child abuse on the part of any of the parents can be completely discounted.

[C.Edwards]

The problem is, although we now have the technology to pinpoint a handset within metres, even if its turned off, this wasn't available in 2007 and I don't see how it could be recovered retrospectively.

It also appears that the Met have been analysing the data that was already available to the PJ which is only from cells in PDL as far as I'm aware. They need to be looking wider, in my opinion, but again can this data be obtained retrospectively?

You are not very clued up in the area of phone triangulation, are you?  What do you think makes it possible to pinpoint phones so accurately now?  Two things: more masts (if you have more masts in an area then you have more triangulation opportunities) and GPS capabilities.  As the GPS capabilities of a phone now are not "broadcast" anywhere by default, they're irrelevant now let alone back in 2007 and as the number of masts in 2007 cannot be retrospectively changed, your "revelatory breakthrough" is not worth a hill of beans.

[Luz]

The vast majority of us have spent the last 6 VERY long years listening to the anti-McCann's diatribe including rants about dogs, cuddle cat, Madeleine herself being a hoax, overdoses etc. etc. etc.    This week can we not allow SY to take "the stand" with an open mind and a bit of grace.  There are always two sides /interpretations of any story and God knows we have all heard and considered more than enough from just ONE side.....

So you are ready to accept that the whole group made false declarations to the police since the first day their child went missing?!
...and allow me to correct you, I am not anti-mccann, I am anti-liars and pro-justice.

[Luz]

None of the tapas group had the profile of child abusers, whether sexual or otherwise. They were all happy to let their kids go off with nannies and child minders for most of the day - if they were abusing their children there is no way they would have ceded this much control over their children. Abusers, especially sexual abusers, would spend a lot more to with children when they had the opportunity, and would certainly not have allowed other people access to their children because they would not want to give up a position of control.

So child abuse on the part of any of the parents can be completely discounted.

It's you that is calling to the plateau the question of child abuse and/or sexual abuse. Maybe you know something that none of us do!

But allow me just to make a small remind: until caught, no abuser or sexual abuser has a record.

[Victoria]

You are not very clued up in the area of phone triangulation, are you?  What do you think makes it possible to pinpoint phones so accurately now?  Two things: more masts (if you have more masts in an area then you have more triangulation opportunities) and GPS capabilities.  As the GPS capabilities of a phone now are not "broadcast" anywhere by default, they're irrelevant now let alone back in 2007 and as the number of masts in 2007 cannot be retrospectively changed, your "revelatory breakthrough" is not worth a hill of beans.

Um...I think you need to read my post again, old chum. It's meaning seems to have passed over your head.