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Offline Myster

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2013, 09:27:28 AM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2456759/Jeremy-Bamber-Do-macabre-pictures-prove-innocent.html

Blood spots !!! pfft... methinks this is yet more clutching at straws by Bamber's lawyers - how do you define spotless in relation to Sheila Caffell's feet ?
The latest photo claims to show blood on the sole of one foot, which, even if it is blood can easily be explained in that Sheila was either led or dragged unwillingly from her own bedroom into her parents' bedroom by the assailant (or made her own way there). To reach the position where her body was found, she would have to have passed her mother's blood-stained body near the bedroom door and the resulting stains on the carpet. Blood spots on the floor on Nevill Bamber's side of the bed might have been his, as he was shot in the face in the bedroom before making his way downstairs to the kitchen where he was finally dispatched.

Blood from either source could have been picked up on Sheila's sole(s)... it might even be her own blood if she was standing whilst being shot for the first time.

So we have learned nothing new that isn't already known, just more hot air over a hazy photo of what may only be minor bruising & dirt and not blood after all !

All the public comments below the article show how people who haven't thoroughly researched the case can be easily misled.

« Last Edit: October 13, 2013, 09:36:00 AM by Myster »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline puglove

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2013, 05:23:43 PM »
www.youtube.com/watch?v=B907aaDw7Ec‎


                                                           
                                                           
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Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Rachel Granada

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Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 10:04:28 AM »
Thanks for posting the news report Amazon.  I read it in the Mail yesterday and came to the same conclusions straw clutching and also I'm not even sure that is blood on Sheila's soles.  Like you say it could be dirt or bruising.

ETA: An apt video choice by shona!

Offline goatboy

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2013, 08:13:17 PM »
I thought Andrew Hunter had to stop his campaigning for Bamber due to illness. Likely he has been taken in and manipulated by Bamber like so many others before him.

Small spots of blood (if they are that and I wouldn't put it past his supporters to photoshop it anyway) don't prove that she got up and walked through trails or pools of blood anyway. And it's extremely distasteful not to mention cynical for Hunter to associate Bamber with genuine corruption and miscarriages of justice such as the Hillsborough investigation and the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 cases.

Offline Myster

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2013, 08:58:02 PM »
Two tiny abrasions on the ball of her foot + a bit of dirt or shadow on the arch = CCRC application no.3 
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline goatboy

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 08:17:32 PM »
Two tiny abrasions on the ball of her foot + a bit of dirt or shadow on the arch = CCRC application no.3 

Well, they thought the pigskin tests were worthy of a CCRC referral. More straw clutching to be done. To be fair Bamber may as well give it a go, there's hardly anything to lose.

Have I got this wrong, or are they now trying to say that Sheila COULD have shot herself with the silencer on? After all those years of claiming the silencer was planted (or Sheila's blood got in there when she mistook it for a tampon because she was mad-I kid you not) now they want to admit the silencer was used?

Offline Jacknch

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2013, 10:49:35 AM »
Blood spots !!! pfft... methinks this is yet more clutching at straws by Bamber's lawyers - how do you define spotless in relation to Sheila Caffell's feet ?
The latest photo claims to show blood on the sole of one foot, which, even if it is blood can easily be explained in that Sheila was either led or dragged unwillingly from her own bedroom into her parents' bedroom by the assailant (or made her own way there). To reach the position where her body was found, she would have to have passed her mother's blood-stained body near the bedroom door and the resulting stains on the carpet. Blood spots on the floor on Nevill Bamber's side of the bed might have been his, as he was shot in the face in the bedroom before making his way downstairs to the kitchen where he was finally dispatched.

Blood from either source could have been picked up on Sheila's sole(s)... it might even be her own blood if she was standing whilst being shot for the first time.

So we have learned nothing new that isn't already known, just more hot air over a hazy photo of what may only be minor bruising & dirt and not blood after all !

All the public comments below the article show how people who haven't thoroughly researched the case can be easily misled.

I think this fits in with my view as to why Sheila was found where she was.  I think whilst the assailant was downstairs killing Mr Bamber, Sheila fled to the master bedroom to comfort/be with Mrs Bamber, the assailant then came back up stairs and all Sheila could do was run to the far side of the room being the furthest place she could go. 
She would not have had copious amounts of Mrs Bamber's blood on her feet as she would have tried to avoid stepping in it - as I think we all would - but a couple of spots could reasonably have found their way on the soles of her feet.
I guess the young children were killed first.  Then Mrs Bamber shot, then Mr bamber shot and partially injured before running downstairs where he was killed a short time later and finally Sheila killed.     

Offline Myster

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2013, 07:56:56 PM »
You've got it in one, jacknch.

That's the conclusion most of the original members here have reached - although there are differing views as to how Sheila Caffell finished up where she did. Your theory could be right, but an alternative one is that if she was the last to be woken by the racket in the bedroom, on the stairs or in the kitchen, she may have opened her own bedroom door to see her mother lying on the floor, immediately went to check if Nicholas and Daniel were safe, and then heard the intruder return upstairs. She might have assumed it was a burglar rather than her brother, so tried to conceal herself in the Box Room between the twins' and parents' bedrooms, or entered the latter from there and tried to hide by crouching at the side of the double bed.

If Sheila was dopey/drowsy from the effects of haloperidol, then she may have been easy to control and lead into the master bedroom, but why do that when it was simpler to shoot her in her own bedroom ? I could be wrong, but that's why I prefer the hide-and-seek theory.

Blood spots were found on the landing carpet so it's possible those two tiny ones (if that's what they are) on Sheila's sole were picked up there, but to inflate it into new proof that she killed her family is laughable.

Whichever route Sheila used the end result was the same - murder not suicide.




It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline simong

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2013, 11:53:17 PM »
Hi,

Just thought i would chuck my tuppence worth in.

I feel that the photo is very interesting. I thought that Vanezis stated in the post mortem that her feet were clean. The photo contradicts that.

This is obviously not grounds for an appeal as there is no evident order of who was shot first, second and so on. Sheila simply could have walked on blood splatter from any of the other victims wounds.

For me personally though, i had always assumed that Sheila was the first to be shot. This photo seems to dispel that theory and points to the final resting place of her body to be quite odd.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2013, 12:01:59 AM by simong »

Offline goatboy

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2013, 09:05:03 PM »
Hi,

Just thought i would chuck my tuppence worth in.

I feel that the photo is very interesting. I thought that Vanezis stated in the post mortem that her feet were clean. The photo contradicts that.

This is obviously not grounds for an appeal as there is no evident order of who was shot first, second and so on. Sheila simply could have walked on blood splatter from any of the other victims wounds.

For me personally though, i had always assumed that Sheila was the first to be shot. This photo seems to dispel that theory and points to the final resting place of her body to be quite odd.

They're not exactly caked with blood though, which you would have expected from someone who had been on a killing spree. I also would have expected blood on her insteps and toes as well. As far as I know the photos don't show this. They don't prove anything along with all of the other desperate grasping at straws attempts that have made up his previous appeals.

Interesting thought about her being shot first, I thought most people assume the twins were first and Sheila was last. I also think maybe Sheila was told they would be next unless she did as she was told. That could be a possible reason why Sheila was as compliant and apparently cooperative as she would have had to have been.

What absolutely swings it for me is that Nevill clearly was anxious to reach the phone to get help. Someone was very keen to stop him getting there and telling someone exactly what was going on. Also someone was very careful to cover their tracks as well as they could. It makes no sense why Sheila would be at such great pains to stop Nevill from reaching the phone (knowing she would have plenty of time before any help of any kind arrived to continue with her rampage and that she would just kill herself and escape justice that way) and performing a clean up operation. It makes perfect sense why Jeremy would have done both of these things.

Offline simong

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 10:09:52 PM »
You make some good points Goatboy. I had never considered what you have said about Nevill, the phone and Sheila caring whether he called someone or not. The not guilty chaps would claim that she was deranged, not thinking and dismissing any thought processes of rationality.

With regard to the twins. Vanezis says that they were shot 8 times, in quick succession and in an arc. Using 8 bullets from a gun with a capacity of 10 rounds on the poor twins would seem a bit of a gamble, with three other adults to subdue and with a reload needed. The shots to June and Nevill in the first episode are erratic, whereas the boys wounds are controlled. It is almost as if the situation was under control when they were killed. They are my main reasons why i think they were shot last.

The trail of Junes blood to where Sheila's body was found indicates to me, June struggling round, wounded to check on Sheila.  It would also make sense to gather the adults together in one room which is what i think happened. I believe, Sheila was woken and taken into the main bedroom at gunpoint. This is why i assumed she had been shot first. Its just a theory!

Edit: Sheila could have been awake, having made a midnight snack waiting for Jeremy or a.n other to turn up with some weed and simply let him in and the rest is history.......another theory!!

« Last Edit: October 29, 2013, 10:14:21 PM by simong »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 04:29:54 PM »
Apparently there are three books due out in the coming months:

Andrew Hunter

Mason Doyle (no idea who this person is)

Carol Anne Lees

I believe the first two are pro Bamber unsure about the third.  Question I would like to ask is why now? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2013, 02:43:37 PM »
Just spent my lunch hour Googling books on Jeremy Bamber and found this:

http://www.murderarchiveuk.com/paul-harrison.html

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Andrew Hunter has come back out to play.
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2013, 07:37:52 PM »
It's all in the public domain Myster.  In fact I was looking for the following article at lunch-time:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Book+cop+I'll+show+Bamber's+innocent.-a0337437563
« Last Edit: November 05, 2013, 07:40:03 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?