Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[puglove]

Is there any point in me having my say, or will my (non abusive, reasonable point) be whooshed before it's read? Again?

I have actually made these points before. That those small children were in danger, just by being left, and abduction would be the last worry. No one in their right mind would leave such young infants in what could basically be a death-trap. Small kids are like sheep, they'll always find a way of hurting themselves.

[misty]

It's very sad that the NSPCC have to advise people never to leave under 5's home alone, it seems so obvious to most people. The days when a child belonged to the parent are gone, just as the days when a wife belonged to her husband have gone. Children have the right to be looked after and parents have a duty to provide that care, nothing to do with the State.

Are you able to provide just one example of parents leaving three under fives home alone for five nights in unlocked accomodation? If not, then the McCanns are unique.

They weren't "home alone", ie, abandoned. I wonder what the laws are in other countries? Is "duty of care" only applicable to parents of British culture?
Is the number of children relevant? If not, then I quote the other members of the Tapas group as a starter.

[mercury]

They weren't "home alone", ie, abandoned. I wonder what the laws are in other countries? Is "duty of care" only applicable to parents of British culture?
Is the number of children relevant? If not, then I quote the other members of the Tapas group as a starter.

Yes they were home alone....how could they NOT be home alone when they WERE alone ffs

[pegasus]

Do the real nannies have keys to all the apartments?

They didn't in PDL because there was no room listening service so no need.
I assume you are asking about room listening services at other MW resorts in 2007?

[Brietta]

They didn't in PDL because there was no room listening service so no need.
I assume you are asking about room listening services at other MW resorts in 2007?

   ... and the listening services advertised in the Mark Warner 2015/2016 brochure.

[misty]

They didn't in PDL because there was no room listening service so no need.
I assume you are asking about room listening services at other MW resorts in 2007?

Yes, I'm asking if the genuine nannies operating the listening service elsewhere had keys to every room on their person during their rounds.

[pegasus]

   ... and the listening services advertised in the Mark Warner 2015/2016 brochure.

As Slarti pointed out -
"Our supervised Evening Listening Service from 7.30pm until 11pm features a quiet sleeping area for little ones and a comfy beanbag area for those who want to watch a DVD."

[misty]

As Slarti pointed out -
"Our supervised Evening Listening Service from 7.30pm until 11pm features a quiet sleeping area for little ones and a comfy beanbag area for those who want to watch a DVD."

So, a night crèche, not a listening service then? False advertising.

[mercury]

So, a night crèche, not a listening service then? False advertising.

Jesus f christ misty thinks a listening service is superior to physical supervision i rest my case

What a plank one  can be when obsessed

[pegasus]

Yes, I'm asking if the genuine nannies operating the listening service elsewhere had keys to every room on their person during their rounds.

As far as I know those room listening services in 2007 were very professional and safe Misty. Checks every 15 minutes, radios to report any problems like crying to supervisor at base immediately, and it seems fairly obvious IMO they would have had access to keys if required.

[pegasus]

So, a night crèche, not a listening service then? False advertising.

The brochure describes it accurately Misty.

[Brietta]

As Slarti pointed out -
"Our supervised Evening Listening Service from 7.30pm until 11pm features a quiet sleeping area for little ones and a comfy beanbag area for those who want to watch a DVD."

Child friendly holidays

Childcare is included in the holiday price for those children 2 to 17 years and for little ones from 4 months to 23 months it will be chargeable. We offer a free evening listening service for children from 4 months to 5 years and for the older children we run free, fully supervised evening entertainment. This evening childcare takes place from 7.30pm to 11pm. Please check childcare availability for your selected dates and hotel online or with our sales team.
http://www.markwarner.co.uk/family-holidays/summer


Elsewhere in the thread I have posted comment from parents who have used the listening service provided ... the above is taken from Mark Warner's current brochure.

[misty]

As far as I know those room listening services in 2007 were very professional and safe Misty. Checks every 15 minutes, radios to report any problems like crying to supervisor at base immediately, and it seems fairly obvious IMO they would have had access to keys if required.

So, hypothetically, a child could have had an accident & died inside the apartment, but because there was no noise the checker would have no reason to enter a room. Death would only be discovered upon the parents' return.
Equally, anyone with access to the keys & knowing a child was alone could enter a room & inflict harm.
I'm not sure that is a safe alternative to a parent entering their own apartment to check on their child.
But this case is unique and normal rules don't apply.

[misty]

The brochure describes it accurately Misty.

I'm not sure it does, Pegasus. What is the difference between a listening service & what really appears to be a night crèche?

[puglove]

Jesus f christ misty thinks a listening service is superior to physical supervision i rest my case

Welll, yes, you've got a point there.

Can anyone argue that the McCanns were lazy and selfish, and they resented sharing "me time" with their kids? If they wanted a good old bucket and spade holiday with the babies, they could have gone with that. But they didn't. They wanted to jog, and play tennis, and dump the smallies in a "kid's club". Day after day. And when they wanted to eat, drink, and chat their crap, they left the kids in a flat. Dark, and strange, and scary.

Seriously, I wouldn't leave a dog, the way the McCanns left their babies. Delete this if you want to, but it's still true.