Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[G-Unit]

Gerry did not say that he felt someone was in the room.  This is a gross distortion of Facts.

September 2007;

Madeleine McCann: Gerry certain he was in bedroom with kidnapper
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1563738/Madeleine-McCann-Gerry-certain-he-was-in-bedroom-with-kidnapper.html

[Alfred R Jones]

September 2007;

Madeleine McCann: Gerry certain he was in bedroom with kidnapper
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1563738/Madeleine-McCann-Gerry-certain-he-was-in-bedroom-with-kidnapper.html

"Gerry believes there was certainly something odd," the friend said. "The bedroom door was ajar when he got in and he thought: 'That's strange'.

"He went into the room, checked that Madeleine was still asleep in bed; she was and he came out, closed the door.

"Initially he thought she might have got up and gone to the toilet or gone to get a drink or something but now he thinks that the abductor must have been in there hiding."

Anyone claiming that Gerry said he thought at the time he was doing the check that there was someone else in the room needs their heads examining.

[Anna]

September 2007;

Madeleine McCann: Gerry certain he was in bedroom with kidnapper
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1563738/Madeleine-McCann-Gerry-certain-he-was-in-bedroom-with-kidnapper.html

Agonisingly, he is now sure that standing behind this door was his four-year-old daughter's abductor, waiting to steal her from her bed in the Praia da Luz.

The haunting memory was revealed by a close family friend, who said Mr McCann and his wife Kate, both 39, checked on their children as they ate at a tapas bar 40 yards away.

"Gerry believes there was certainly something odd," the friend said. "The bedroom door was ajar when he got in and he thought: 'That's strange'.

"He went into the room, checked that Madeleine was still asleep in bed; she was and he came out, closed the door.

"Initially he thought she might have got up and gone to the toilet or gone to get a drink or something but now he thinks that the abductor must have been in there hiding."

The friend said Gerry had pondered over the sequence of events that night for four and half painful months. "He believes the abductor came in, opened the door and didn't have time to close it (before Mr McCann arrived)," said the friend.

[G-Unit]

No way could anyone be behind that door, which surely he must have known, having spent a week in that apartment. The intruder could have been anorexic I suppose.

[Eleanor]

September 2007;

Madeleine McCann: Gerry certain he was in bedroom with kidnapper
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1563738/Madeleine-McCann-Gerry-certain-he-was-in-bedroom-with-kidnapper.html

In hindsight, so don't try to pretend otherwise.

[Miss Taken Identity]

No way could anyone be behind that door, which surely he must have known, having spent a week in that apartment. The intruder could have been anorexic I suppose.

or a shapeshifter.
OK  this is where I get interested in the small details others over look.

He noticed the door was different the way he left it? who was the last person to touch that door? was it not Kate? and how closed would it have been? very? almost? ajar? It had to be noticably different for someone to 'notice'. He gives us a reason to look in on his beautiful children bcause he would not have done a physical check otherwise. Now if the door was open he thought a child (did the babies climb out of cots)? Maddie may have woke and wandered? no it had to be an abductor, because  woke and wandered is a no no. So, if he noticed the door to be different so much so he felt he had to do a physical check, why not walk into the room and do a quick scan of the apartment just to make sure everything was ok. Who did he think moved the door anyway?

in retrospect  it was the abductor...hmm

[pegasus]

Which would mean the children weren't seen at all between 8.30pm and 10pm, unless you count Matthew seeing some humps in cots in that two windowed bedroom.

It's the same on 9.30pm check as on 9.05 check, listening can be done perfectly well by sliding the lounge balcony dppr open a few cemtimetres, listening from the balcony for a few seconds, closing it and back to dinner. Going inside doesn't improve listening at all.

[pegasus]

Which would mean the children weren't seen at all between 8.30pm and 10pm, unless you count Matthew seeing some humps in cots in that two windowed bedroom.

Between 7.15pm and 10.00pm G-Unit. The 8.30pm check (just before they went out to the restaurant 90 metres away) was listening at the child bedroom door only, not visual.

[pegasus]

Would you trust your kids to an amateur room listening service that was based in a bar 100 metres away, allowed it's checkers to drink on the job, used no mobile phones or radios, and stretched the checking interval to 45 minutes if something urgent like amarguinha came up Davel?

[Brietta]

Brietta quoted

"It is my understanding that the notion an intruder may have already been in the apartment was a retrospective one."

unquote


Did he or did he not say it  retrospectivly or not? where is your cite he said it retrospectivly?

                      Have you amended your mistaken statement, or is that a step too far?

The absolute pits to attempt to blacken the names of these parents of a missing child with the suggestion her father was aware of an intruder in her bedroom.  There are apparently no depths to which you will not plunge.

[Miss Taken Identity]

                      Have you amended your mistaken statement, or is that a step too far?

The absolute pits to attempt to blacken the names of these parents of a missing child with the suggestion her father was aware of an intruder in her bedroom.  There are apparently no depths to which you will not plunge.

Taking to personal insult  is a good sign of losing the argument. I am not going to amend my post because:

Gerry said he noticed the door was more open than it was? this is why he looked in on his family- otherwise he would not have looked in on them at all. So he noticed something was not as it seems because he investigated via physically checking his children ( according to Gerry-there is no evidence of this actually happening).

He then claims it was the abductor- how peculiar. IF he was so concerned about the door being moved why did he not check the whole apartment? none of this part of the story makes any sense at all.

So Gerry did think there was someone in the apartment when he was there- this has been established.
RETROSPECTIVLY.

And so, trying to make a story fit without proper consideration is not a good idea. How did he know the door was moved if it was Kate who closed the door? did they measure or something, and hen Kate sees the same moving door to investigate further, this sounds a bit like a turnstyle at a football ground.

The parents blackened their own name- they are the procurers of their own fate. I played no part in that. but thank you for suggesting I had.

[Eleanor]

So no one ever sees anything odd and then dismisses it as imagination?  I have come across this often in the holiday properties that I manage.  Thinking that someone had been there without my knowledge.  To such an extent that I now leave certain things in positions known only to me.

[misty]

Would you trust your kids to an amateur room listening service that was based in a bar 100 metres away, allowed it's checkers to drink on the job, used no mobile phones or radios, and stretched the checking interval to 45 minutes if something urgent like amarguinha came up Davel?

You don't have to trust anyone if you are checking your own children.
BTW where were those MW nannies going out to at 10pm that night when they had crèche duty the next morning?

[stephen25000]

Agonisingly, he is now sure that standing behind this door was his four-year-old daughter's abductor, waiting to steal her from her bed in the Praia da Luz.

The haunting memory was revealed by a close family friend, who said Mr McCann and his wife Kate, both 39, checked on their children as they ate at a tapas bar 40 yards away.

"Gerry believes there was certainly something odd," the friend said. "The bedroom door was ajar when he got in and he thought: 'That's strange'.

"He went into the room, checked that Madeleine was still asleep in bed; she was and he came out, closed the door.

"Initially he thought she might have got up and gone to the toilet or gone to get a drink or something but now he thinks that the abductor must have been in there hiding."

The friend said Gerry had pondered over the sequence of events that night for four and half painful months. "He believes the abductor came in, opened the door and didn't have time to close it (before Mr McCann arrived)," said the friend.

Or it could be a figment of his retrospective imagination.

[pegasus]

You don't have to trust anyone if you are checking your own children.
BTW where were those MW nannies going out to at 10pm that night when they had crèche duty the next morning?

Some of them went to Mirage Misty - but hope you're not assuming that people who go out socially have to drink large amounts of alcohol or even any at all. In fact the nannies could never have done what those tourists did, this holiday company had extremely high standards of child care.