SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?

[Luz]

If Gerry's alibi is solid then I can't believe the Smith family saw Maddie. What kind of planned abduction involves carrying a child across a town in full view of the world? The only way I see it being Maddie is if she wandered out of the apartment and was grabbed by chance.

No planned abduction would imply carrying a child through the streets of a touristic village where the chances to meet someone were high. IF, and I stress IF, the child being carried by that man was Madeleine, it could only be explained by an act of desperation.

I understand that the first responders (GNR police) thought the child had walked out of the apartment, but if that had been the case, despite the family had taken almost an hour to call the authorities, the little child would have been found much earlier and the alarm would have been given. After all Praia da Luz was not the Sahara desert, there were people there, plenty of people.

[jassi]

No planned abduction would imply carrying a child through the streets of a touristic village where the chances to meet someone were high. IF, and I stress IF, the child being carried by that man was Madeleine, it could only be explained by an act of desperation.

I understand that the first responders (GNR police) thought the child had walked out of the apartment, but if that had been the case, despite the family had taken almost an hour to call the authorities, the little child would have been found much earlier and the alarm would have been given. After all Praia da Luz was not the Sahara desert, there were people there, plenty of people.

This just got me to thinking that there must have been more people than the McCann walking up that street during the crucial time period, as the others who dined at the Tapas would be likely to have gone that way on returning to their apartments. Yet they never saw anyone either, not even any of the McCann group.

[faithlilly]

I feel that allowing for the possibility that innocent man was  'up to something'  that night is stretching credibility

It is an unecessary and entirely unsupported complication

Scotland Yard have eliminated innocent man,  and not  eliminated Smithman

I think we must accept,  therefore,  that they were two different men ...  as have Scotlant Yard,  following a two and a half year investigation

If we do not,   then this becomes a debate about Andy Redwood's and Scotland Yard's competence

For me Smithman and Innocentman's clothing are too similar for one to be ruled out on that alone. There is something else that has ruled Innocentman out and IMO it could only have come from Tanner.

[Benice]

No planned abduction would imply carrying a child through the streets of a touristic village where the chances to meet someone were high. IF, and I stress IF, the child being carried by that man was Madeleine, it could only be explained by an act of desperation.

I understand that the first responders (GNR police) thought the child had walked out of the apartment, but if that had been the case, despite the family had taken almost an hour to call the authorities, the little child would have been found much earlier and the alarm would have been given. After all Praia da Luz was not the Sahara desert, there were people there, plenty of people.

Now that bundeman has virtually been ruled out there could have been a car involved initially - for part of the way.   Especially if Madeleine was abducted nearer to 10.00p.m. than previously thought. 

Luz, As far as the McCanns knew the police been called soon after Madeleine disappeared - to keep implying that they didn't bother to contact them for almost an hour is untrue and unfair.     One reason why Gerry was so frantic about the non arrival of the police  - was because he thought they had been phoned much earlier than it later transpired they actually were.    There are a couple of receptionist staff witness statements which also intimate that the police were called much earlier than the telephone records later showed.     

IMO     
 

[AnneGuedes]

Gerry has already been ruled out by SY

quote
''Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects.

DCI REDWOOD
End quote.

That statement by the Head of the investigation couldn't possibly be any more crystal clear and unambiguous if it tried IMO. 

So what part of it is so difficult to understand?  I don't get it.

No. DCI Redwood can very well say that the TP9 are no persons of interest (for their review), but he can't rule out the AG Report which doesn't rule out the accidental homicide and concealment of body.

[AnneGuedes]

As far as the McCanns knew the police been called soon after Madeleine disappeared - to keep implying that they didn't bother to contact them for almost an hour is untrue and unfair.     One reason why Gerry was so frantic about the non arrival of the police  - was because he thought they had been phoned much earlier than it later transpired they actually were.    There are a couple of receptionist staff witness statements which also intimate that the police were called much earlier than the telephone records later showed.     

IMO   

No, Benice, you can't sweep the facts under the carpet.

[AnneGuedes]

Now that bundeman has virtually been ruled out there could have been a car involved initially - for part of the way.   Especially if Madeleine was abducted nearer to 10.00p.m. than previously thought. 

A car implies the elimination of Smithman. Wait a year or so and a car could pop up from DCI Redwood's hat.

[AnneGuedes]

IF, and I stress IF, the child being carried by that man was Madeleine, it could only be explained by an act of desperation.

Yes, not despair, desperation.

[jassi]

Without Smithman, there would be nothing tangible left to support the abduction theory.

[AnneGuedes]

Not wanting to be pessimistic, "uma pulga atrás da orelha" ( a little flea behind my hear) tells me that in a few weeks time either another innocent parent ( a dead predator would imply the Smith's perjuring themselves) appears to fit the Smith's sighting or it will remain forever the "monster" that took a little girl and nobody can find.

Difficultly, Luz, the 9 Smiths saw a father, not a monster.

[Apostate]

Now that bundeman has virtually been ruled out there could have been a car involved initially - for part of the way.   Especially if Madeleine was abducted nearer to 10.00p.m. than previously thought.   

Smithman snatches Maddie gets into a car and is dropped off a few hundred yards away then spotted. Of all the theories I've heard this is one of the most unlikely.

[AnneGuedes]

With bundleman no longer a factor the biggest question this now raises is whether SY are satisfied that Gerry can be ruled out as Smithman.

Yes and that brings back the time-line issue.

[Mr Gray]

Difficultly, Luz, the 9 Smiths saw a father, not a monster.

 Careful...someone is going to come along and tell you that you are quoting opinion as fact...they're really hot on it

[jassi]

Smithman snatches Maddie gets into a car and is dropped off a few hundred yards away then spotted. Of all the theories I've heard this is one of the most unlikely.

Quite. An abductor would only need to walk a few yards and he's in a carpark. No evidence that it happened that way, of course.

[Cariad]

Difficultly, Luz, the 9 Smiths saw a father, not a monster.

I agree with you Anne.