SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?

[Redblossom]

Oh cariad/myster dont dare joke.....

its  proof you are laughing at a missing girl and nothing else! You will get castigated!
 

The pyjama thing is wierd IMO on a couple levels....

Anyway the position of Innocentman after collecting his two yr old from the creche ......could it be explained rationally in some way?

The PJ files contain details of all MW guests and the age of their children, there are only a few people this could  be and their apartment blocks documented...there may be a reason he was seen carrying his child that direction that no one has thought of....

[Wonderfulspam]

for sale! one pair of ruined girls pajamas size 2/3 years! could possibly be passed of as Bundlemans daughter in a poor light!* Ruffles not included*

PMSL 

[Benice]

I think the photos of the girl's original pyjama pants and top were either provided by the father, or taken by SY.
The orange top looks soiled around the sides and torn along the bottom, (or that could be a belt).





What has still not been satisfactorily answered for me is why ex-bundleman was seen going towards rather than away from the creche. Even Matthew Amroliwala was filmed in PdL walking in the same easterly direction and also distinctly stated that the father had collected his 2 yr. old daughter from the creche (in the SE).

I can't imagine that SY will have overlooked that major point Myster - I can only assume the father was able to give a reason why he was walking in that direction - which SY obviously found credible - otherwise I do not see how they could claim that it was 'highly compelling' that this was the man JT saw, and who they know was not the abductor.


     

[John]

I don't know about everyone else but there are issues here which I find troubling.  Jane might not have picked up on every detail relating to bundleman but the ones she did are quite specific.

What happened to the frills on the bottom of the pyjamas?

Why was he moving from west to east when the crèche was to the south?

Why after all the anguish that Jane has put herself through these last 6 years did he not speak to the Met long before now?


_{The man was described as moving with a 'sense of urgency'}


This is the first detailed artist's impression of the man seen by a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann carrying a young child on the night Madeleine disappeared.

The drawing by a British artist commissioned by the McCanns was released by a Spanish television channel 176 days after the four-year-old went missing from Praia da Luz. 

It shows the side-view of a faceless man in a dark jacket, beige trousers and collar-length hair carrying a small child. A pair of legs in pink and white pyjamas can clearly be seen and what appears to be a pink child’s blanket covering the upper part of the body.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1567254/Madeleine-McCann-First-drawing-of-abductor.html

[kmc]

Apart from the JT sighting the SY appeal didn't really have anything which was 'new'....   As we all know, SY are also very well known for spending hours strategising the best way to put various information true/false into the public domain for operational purposes and on that basis  - the way the they ruling out the JT sighting 'fell' into place a little too neatly for me....  It just feels like the elephant in the room but I keep wondering why - could it be that they have someone in the frame who fits the sighting and they want to throw them off or are they planning to arrest someone who does not match the JT sighting and they don't want to have it haunting them?  I obviously don't know the answers - but I look forward to understanding what the investigative logic is behind all of this is, because there must be more to it than meets the eye.

[AnneGuedes]

Ms Tanner saw no blanket, but thought the top of the pyjama was pinkish.

[Benice]

I don't know about everyone else but there are issues here which I find troubling.  Jane might not have picked up on every detail relating to bundleman but the ones she did are quite specific.


_{The man was described as moving with a 'sense of urgency'}


It shows the side-view of a faceless man in a dark jacket, beige trousers and collar-length hair carrying a small child. A pair of legs in pink and white pyjamas can clearly be seen and what appears to be a pink child’s blanket covering the upper part of the body.[/b]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1567254/Madeleine-McCann-First-drawing-of-abductor.html

I don't think that is supposed to be a pink blanket John,  I think it's a 'blanked out' spot - to indicate that JT could not describe that part of the child's body - in a similar way to how the man's face is blanked out.

[AnneGuedes]

There's an interesting analysis of the sketch compared to the pyjamas exhibited by the McCanns as equal in mccannfiles.

[John]

The reference to the blanket was from the Belfast Telegraph article dated October 2007.

That said, am I right in thinking that it actually was the orange cardigan she saw depicted in Mysters photo?  I assume the  colour discrepancy can be put down to the sodium yellow street lamps?

[AnneGuedes]

The reference to the blanket was from the Belfast Telegraph article dated October 2007.

That said, am I right in thinking that it actually was the orange cardigan she saw depicted in Mysters photo?  I assume the  colour discrepancy can be put down to the sodium yellow street lamps?

This lamp would have made the pink pyjamas look orange.
What is the most obvious in those pants ? Isn't it the orange band at the bottom ?

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't know about everyone else but there are issues here which I find troubling.  Jane might not have picked up on every detail relating to bundleman but the ones she did are quite specific.

What happened to the frills on the bottom of the pyjamas?

Why was he moving from west to east when the crèche was to the south?

Why after all the anguish that Jane has put herself through these last 6 years did he not speak to the Met long before now?


_{The man was described as moving with a 'sense of urgency'}


This is the first detailed artist's impression of the man seen by a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann carrying a young child on the night Madeleine disappeared.

The drawing by a British artist commissioned by the McCanns was released by a Spanish television channel 176 days after the four-year-old went missing from Praia da Luz. 

It shows the side-view of a faceless man in a dark jacket, beige trousers and collar-length hair carrying a small child. A pair of legs in pink and white pyjamas can clearly be seen and what appears to be a pink child’s blanket covering the upper part of the body.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1567254/Madeleine-McCann-First-drawing-of-abductor.html

Do we know John when it was that this man came forward or was contacted? Did the PJ investigate the parents whose children were at the creche? Is there any record of this?

Perhaps he came forward early on in the investigation and his significance was missed, though this is admittedly hard to imagine. Given that the PJ wanted to rule out abduction as a theory, a positive identification of innocent bundleman would have helped in this.

[pathfinder73]

3407 to 3409 Officer's report re:2007.11.05 visit to Wilkins and O'Donnell:

As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry. At this time they were stood with Gerry's back to the building near to the gate and Jeremy facing him. Rua Dr Agostino was about 10-15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left.

He was adamant that he did not see any one else in the area. When spoken to in reference to Jane Tanner walking by, he again stated that he saw no one. He also stated that he did not see or hear anyone to his right. He was aware of the recent picture in the papers re the person with a child wrapped in a blanket and in a males arms allegedly walking across the junction to his right but again stated that he did not see any one.

The conversation with Gerry lasted for about three minutes during which Gerry was chatty and in his normal self. Jeremy then made his way back to his apartment.

Several weeks later, Jeremy received calls from Gerry in relation to gaining permission from him to use his name in a portfolio of evidence being compiled by an organization employed by the McCanns. They were very persistent and made several attempts to contact him both at work and at home. They had no objection to being included but were concerned as to the method being used.

[icabodcrane]

3407 to 3409 Officer's report re:2007.11.05 visit to Wilkins and O'Donnell:

As he approached the corner of the McCanns apartment, he saw Gerry appear from the area of the gate. He crossed the road and engaged in general conversation with Gerry. At this time they were stood with Gerry's back to the building near to the gate and Jeremy facing him. Rua Dr Agostino was about 10-15 meters to his right and the pathway leading to the front of the apartment blocks about 5 meters to his left.

He was adamant that he did not see any one else in the area. When spoken to in reference to Jane Tanner walking by, he again stated that he saw no one. He also stated that he did not see or hear anyone to his right. He was aware of the recent picture in the papers re the person with a child wrapped in a blanket and in a males arms allegedly walking across the junction to his right but again stated that he did not see any one.

The conversation with Gerry lasted for about three minutes during which Gerry was chatty and in his normal self. Jeremy then made his way back to his apartment.

Several weeks later, Jeremy received calls from Gerry in relation to gaining permission from him to use his name in a portfolio of evidence being compiled by an organization employed by the McCanns. They were very persistent and made several attempts to contact him both at work and at home. They had no objection to being included but were concerned as to the method being used.

I've never read that before,  thanks for finding it pathfinder

It's  not the only time witnesses have been approached by people empoyed by the McCanns, but this is the only time,  as far as I am aware,  that a witness was pestered by Gerry himself

[LagosBen]

I think JT did see the abductor.

It was probably over in minutes.

I just find it strange that with the Night time Creche being East of 5A the Met would say the person JT saw was coming from that Creche.

[AnneGuedes]

Given that the PJ wanted to rule out abduction as a theory, a positive identification of innocent bundleman would have helped in this.

No, SH, the PJ didn't want to rule out abduction, on the contrary they were desperately searching for evidence of it, simply because it was the only politically correct thesis.