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AnneGuedes

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Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #225 on: October 20, 2013, 11:59:15 AM »
Quote from: davel on October 20, 2013, 11:50:05 AM
Careful...someone is going to come along and tell you that you are quoting opinion as fact...they're really hot on it
I agree seeing a father is an opinion, let's say they saw a man without any obvious particularity...
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Offline xtina

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #226 on: October 20, 2013, 12:03:34 PM »
a planned abduction...lets see

last  check 9 15 ....[because surley he  was observing]....yet waited till just before 10 pm

the mccs apt was on a main road...[so obviously some kind  of trasport ]..no on foot

planned  would be ....[to get away asap]....instead  walked around a  tourist area at one of  the busyest  times for diners comming  or  going ..

a  planned  abduction ....why maddie ...not one  of the  twins  ....

planned by someone  ....who seems to be really stupid ....yet how clever ...he  did not  leave one single bit  of  evidence   not one  bit of proof ....all we are being  told he left ...is an empty bed....
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Offline Benice

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #227 on: October 20, 2013, 12:18:01 PM »
Quote from: Apostate on October 20, 2013, 11:48:06 AM
Smithman snatches Maddie gets into a car and is dropped off a few hundred yards away then spotted. Of all the theories I've heard this is one of the most unlikely.

Why is that?  Smithman was heading towards  the beach according to the Smiths and Amaral.   Perhaps, if Madeleine was to be taken out of the country by boat,  he had been driven to a pre-arranged hiding place where he had stayed waiting for instructions - - and then having received them - set off to the shore and was spotted by the Smiths.    How long would it take him to get to the beach from where the Smiths saw him.  Has this ever been calculated?

It's just a theory, but I can't see why it should be ruled out.

Now that the abduction timeline has been extended - and Bundleman discounted there are more possiblities to be explored than before.

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Offline xtina

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #228 on: October 20, 2013, 12:36:06 PM »
Quote from: Benice on October 20, 2013, 12:18:01 PM
Why is that?  Smithman was heading towards  the beach according to the Smiths and Amaral.   Perhaps, if Madeleine was to be taken out of the country by boat,  he had been driven to a pre-arranged hiding place where he had stayed waiting for instructions - - and then having received them - set off to the shore and was spotted by the Smiths.    How long would it take him to get to the beach from where the Smiths saw him.  Has this ever been calculated?

It's just a theory, but I can't see why it should be ruled out.

Now that the abduction timeline has been extended - and Bundleman discounted there are more possiblities to be explored than before.



IMO if that was the case ....that he was  meeting a  boat [say travelled so  far by  car ]........if it  were planned ...surly he would have  gone  futher down the coast were it would have been more  private ...

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Offline xtina

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #229 on: October 20, 2013, 12:38:10 PM »
sorry ...benice it went in your  post




IMO if that was the case ....that he was  meeting a  boat [say travelled so  far by  car ]........if it  were planned ...surly he would have  gone  futher down the coast were it would have been more  private ...
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AnneGuedes

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Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #230 on: October 20, 2013, 12:40:26 PM »
Smithman wasn't heading especially to the beach, he could have been heading to the church turning left at the junction with 25 de Abril, for example, having avoided busy Primeiro de Maio. The shortest way to the coast, from 25 de Abril, implies turning right then left. But there is no sand beach there, steep rocks overhanging the sea.
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Offline Apostate

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #231 on: October 20, 2013, 12:40:47 PM »
Has it been said when bundleman came forward to eliminate himself? He's still on the Find M website - Spottyman too.
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AnneGuedes

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Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #232 on: October 20, 2013, 12:42:06 PM »
Quote from: Apostate on October 20, 2013, 12:40:47 PM
Has it been said when bundleman came forward to eliminate himself? He's still on the Find M website - Spottyman too.
What about Teethyman ?
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Offline Apostate

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #233 on: October 20, 2013, 12:43:19 PM »
Quote from: xtina on October 20, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
sorry ...benice it went in your  post




IMO if that was the case ....that he was  meeting a  boat [say travelled so  far by  car ]........if it  were planned ...surly he would have  gone  futher down the coast were it would have been more  private ...

Indeed - getting out halfway and doing the rest on foot makes no  sense whatsoever. Unless they ran out of petrol.
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Offline xtina

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #234 on: October 20, 2013, 03:02:28 PM »
Apostate said


Indeed - getting out halfway and doing the rest on foot makes no  sense whatsoever. Unless they ran out of petrol.


lol....probably right
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Offline Benice

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #235 on: October 20, 2013, 06:33:51 PM »
Quote from: Apostate on October 20, 2013, 12:43:19 PM
Indeed - getting out halfway and doing the rest on foot makes no  sense whatsoever. Unless they ran out of petrol.

He could have just emerged from a pre arranged hiding place where he'd been dropped off  when the Smiths saw him  - and if he was only a couple of minutes away from the beach when he passed them,  then he was a lot closer to his destination than half way. 

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                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Redblossom

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Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #236 on: October 20, 2013, 06:35:59 PM »
Quote from: AnneGuedes on October 20, 2013, 12:42:06 PM
What about Teethyman ?

They originally had an image on there of Tannerman and Teethyman on the same page suggesting it was the same person, someone complained or something and they removed Teethyman...thnk he has disappeared totally off the site now for a while
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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #237 on: October 20, 2013, 06:49:25 PM »
Quote from: Benice on October 20, 2013, 06:33:51 PM
He could have just emerged from a pre arranged hiding place where he'd been dropped off  when the Smiths saw him  - and if he was only a couple of minutes away from the beach when he passed them,  then he was a lot closer to his destination than half way.

Interesting, Benice. Never thought of that.

But even though he was near the beach, he had to walk close to a more social area first - from which the Smiths emerged - on his way. Wouldn't it have been better to use a car as much as possible at this stage rather than have Smithman walking through a far more exposed area with the child? And why not cover her up with something to at least make positive identification as a girl difficult?
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Offline Haskins

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #238 on: October 20, 2013, 07:01:15 PM »
In my opinion we have to be very careful about placing too much weight on one witness testimony, particularly when it comes to identifying the person seen. Witness testimony is notoriously unreliable in certain situations, partly  because of a process a witness can go through called, "reconstructive memory".

Witnesses can sometimes create "schemas", whereby their mind subconsciously distorts their memories in order to fit in with what they now know. This process was likely evident , I think,  when Mr Smith later saw Gerald McCann coming off a plane and bowing his head, causing him to make a statement to police which said he was 60 to 80% sure that the man seen carrying a child at 10:00 pm was McCann.
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Offline jassi

Re: SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?
« Reply #239 on: October 20, 2013, 07:07:03 PM »
On the other hand, without Mr Smith's description and the e-fit (wherever it came from), SY would be grasping at straws.
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