SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?

[Benita]

First searches at 10pm when the chaos and confusion was going on is the time to concentrate on, not the tapas bar. The perfect time for someone to slip away unnoticed.

slip away unnoticed to do what exactly ?

[pathfinder73]

Work it out.

[Benita]

Work it out.

no you tell me..

[pathfinder73]

It's obvious.

[Benita]

It's obvious.

to your mind yeah obviously ..just spit it out what you afraid of pathfinder ?

[pathfinder73]

Madeleine was outside and she was moved.

[Benita]

Madeleine was outside and she was moved.

  yeah right load of twoddle  8-)(--)

[pathfinder73]

Will you be doing the same thing to SY?

[Benita]

Will you be doing the same thing to SY?

your mind games don't wash with me ..do carry on posting libel though 

[pathfinder73]

The unexplained moving door gave the whole game away.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm thinking that if a boat was involved, then it's not easy to give a precise time for when it will be in the right place at sea,  in the same way you would be able to with a car. (Not that I know anything about boats).   So it could be that they needed a hiding place near the beach to go to (by car) to wait to hear that the boat was in place   

If their original plans had to be changed - because of Gerry unexpectedly doing his 9.05 check, then that would possibly make it even harder as the boat would have to accommodate those time changes.    It's not like a car, where you simply sit there parked up for a bit longer than you first planned.   

As I say I don't know anything about boats, but if Madeleine was going to be taken out in a dinghy to a boat waiting off shore - then having to contend with tides, winds, etc. would not make it a guaranteed precise operation, in terms of timing.

Also it could be that the hiding place was not ideal, but was the only one available - even if it meant a 2 minute exposed walk to the shoreline.

As I say it's just a theory - which first came into my mind when I was reading about Madeleine being taken out in a dinghy to another boat - as one of the Kiddies Club activities.

Interesting, Benice, but if Madeleine was going to be taken by sea, would it not have been more low key and quick to place her in a car near the apartment, then zip to Lagos marina a handful of kilometres away, where a  boat could already have been moored and waiting?

With regard to the timings, any planner would have known that the timing on the night would be very hard to predict in advance. Surely this would have been factored into any plan,  therefore finding a more secluded waiting / transit place, or at least covering the child if she had to be exposed to the world at some point, would have seemed wise.

[Sherlock Holmes]

This just got me to thinking that there must have been more people than the McCann walking up that street during the crucial time period, as the others who dined at the Tapas would be likely to have gone that way on returning to their apartments. Yet they never saw anyone either, not even any of the McCann group.

It is interesting that Scotland Yard now seem to be reporting that the response to the Crimewatch appeal for information has brought forward many people who were in or near PdL that night, but who had not previously come forward to police.

We have had so many discussions here, in various threads, on why a person might be reluctant to come forward to police. We have also discussed various of our respective points and theories with reference to certain things being able to be ruled in or out (or not) on the basis that there were apparently no witnesses, or no innocent people confirming themselves as such.

It appears from what SY are now saying that not coming forward to police, hard as it is for us to understand this here given the gravity of the case, is actually reasonably common.

Let's hope we do get some meaningful responses from people who were in PdL in 2006.

[Benice]

Interesting, Benice, but if Madeleine was going to be taken by sea, would it not have been more low key and quick to place her in a car near the apartment, then zip to Lagos marina a handful of kilometres away, where a  boat could already have been moored and waiting?

With regard to the timings, any planner would have known that the timing on the night would be very hard to predict in advance. Surely this would have been factored into any plan,  therefore finding a more secluded waiting / transit place, or at least covering the child if she had to be exposed to the world at some point, would have seemed wise.

Yes I do take your point Sherlock, but if escape by sea was the plan I think any idea of driving along main roads is a risk, particularly as they could not be sure when the alarm would be raised.   If it was much quicker to get to the sea in Pdl itself, by car and then by foot,  then surely that would be the preferred option - and ruled out the risk of being stopped or followed whilst travelling along the road to Lagos.

I don't know what to think about the fact that the child was not covered.  It does seem odd.

Must go to bed now - I'll give that 'problem' some thought whilst I'm hopefully drifting off.

Nigh night.







 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes I do take your point Sherlock, but if escape by sea was the plan I think any idea of driving along main roads is a risk, particularly as they could not be sure when the alarm would be raised.   If it was much quicker to get to the sea in Pdl itself, by car and then by foot,  then surely that would be the preferred option - and ruled out the risk of being stopped or followed whilst travelling along the road to Lagos.

I don't know what to think about the fact that the child was not covered.  It does seem odd.

Must go to bed now - I'll give that 'problem' some thought whilst I'm hopefully drifting off.

Nigh night.

Night night Benice! Will think about it too!

[Cariad]

Me neither as it can only be advanced if you accept that the friends were all liars even though no-one can come up with a credible reason why they would so easily agree to become accomplices to the heinous crime of the disposal of a dead child.   Especially as the only close friends the McCanns had in that group were Fiona and David Payne.  The others either didn't know them that well or hadn't seen them for years.

 
 

I can't come up with a credible reason why acquaintances would lie to cover a serious crime, but neither can I come up with a credible reason for their being no evidence of an abduction. In fact the only  evidence  seems to point to staging. Misinformation about jemmied shutters and broken doors. Kate's fingerprints on the window, everybodies willingness to point the finger at Murat..

And the door!

That mysteriously moving door!

On a different thread Red came up with a credible reason for Smithman. Someone taking a child to a medical emergency wouldn't stop to chat, would hurry, wouldn't worry about shoes or coats, especially if their child had a temperature.

But even if Smithman is debunked, where does that leave everything else?