Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?

[John]

Lets hope the police will bring this case to the end, to the place where it should have been long ago.

I cant see that happening going by their recent efforts.  This case will only be resolved if Madeleine turns up.

[jassi]

I cant see that happening going by their recent efforts.  This case will only be resolved if Madeleine turns up.

Depending upon the circumstances, that might bring only partial resolution.
A discovered body might provide no cause of death and no perpetrator, so no real solution, other than end of search and partial closure for the McCanns.
Even a live Madeleine might not lead to a conviction, depending on the circumstances under which she was found.

[Aiofe]

Depending upon the circumstances, that might bring only partial resolution.
A discovered body might provide no cause of death and no perpetrator, so no real solution, other than end of search and partial closure for the McCanns.
Even a live Madeleine might not lead to a conviction, depending on the circumstances under which she was found.

The case is already resolved. No -one has been charged and that (IMHO) is very likely to remain the case.

The furor will dies down if they go for the internet in the New Year.

[jassi]

The case is already resolved. No -one has been charged and that (IMHO) is very likely to remain the case.

The furor will dies down if they go for the internet in the New Year.

If the case are resolved, why are ST and PJ still conducting inquiries?

[Aiofe]

If the case are resolved, why are ST and PJ still conducting inquiries?

Because missing person and murder cases should be revisited. Currently there is no=one charged or about to be charged. It remains unsolved as I suspect it always will.

[icabodcrane]

Because missing person and murder cases should be revisited. Currently there is no=one charged or about to be charged. It remains unsolved as I suspect it always will.

Well which is it then  ...  resolved  ...  or  unsolved  ? 

[icabodcrane]

What is that meant to mean ?

I think it's one of those veiled threats that we,  who question the McCann's version of events'  are on thin ice ...  and it is just a matter of time before our sacrilege is punished 

Something like that

[AnneGuedes]

I think it's one of those veiled threats that we,  who question the McCann's version of events'  are on thin ice ...  and it is just a matter of time before our sacrilege is punished

Something like that

[Benice]

I think it's one of those veiled threats that we,  who question the McCann's version of events'  are on thin ice ...  and it is just a matter of time before our sacrilege is punished 

Something like that

Anyone can question the McCann's version of events and have their own opinion on their actions.      But that's a far cry from point blank ACCUSING them of being 'guilty' as if it is a fact-  and spreading lies and disinformation about them which have long since been discredited.       It's the latter which I  - (and I think most 'pros')  - find so unjust, cruel and totally unacceptable.      It's not that I am an admirer of the McCanns, it's  because I am totally opposed to witchhunts, kangaroo courts and lynchmob mentality - no matter who the victim of that behaviour is.
   

[VIXTE]

Going back to the doors, the subject of this topic..

8.30 pm the doors closed to a very small openings
9.05-9.10 pm Gerry found them open to 45 degrees and closes them back to 5 degrees
9.30  pm Matthew Oldfield said the doors were open. He leaves them as that. But no window open
10 pm Kate finds the doors wide open, tries to close them and then finds the window wide open too.


How do we explain this?

Seems from 8.30 to nearly 10 pm someone is constantly there?

[icabodcrane]

Anyone can question the McCann's version of events and have their own opinion on their actions.      But that's a far cry from point blank ACCUSING them of being 'guilty' as if it is a fact-  and spreading lies and disinformation about them which have long since been discredited.       It's the latter which I  - (and I think most 'pros')  - find so unjust, cruel and totally unacceptable.      It's not that I am an admirer of the McCanns, it's  because I am totally opposed to witchhunts, kangaroo courts and lynchmob mentality - no matter who the victim of that behaviour is.
 

Do you see that on this  forum  ?

I think you are a rational poster Benice, and I enjoy debating with you, so I ask the question out of genuine interest  ...  do you think  this  forum  is  conducting a witchhunt with a  'lynchmob  mentality' ?

[Benice]

Going back to the doors, the subject of this topic..

8.30 pm the doors closed to a very small openings
9.05-9.10 pm Gerry found them open to 45 degrees and closes them back to 5 degrees
9.30  pm Matthew Oldfield said the doors were open. He leaves them as that. But no window open
10 pm Kate finds the doors wide open, tries to close them and then finds the window wide open too.


How do we explain this?

Seems from 8.30 to nearly 10 pm someone is constantly there?

IMO there are at least 2 possible explanations.   Either the abductor was in the apartment, or the bedroom door - (which IIRC is the only interior door facing the patio doors) could have been moved by the change in air pressure every time the patio doors were opened /closed  - as it was breezy that night and so that might have been the reason.

[icabodcrane]

IMO there are at least 2 possible explanations.   Either the abductor was in the apartment, or the bedroom door - (which IIRC is the only interior door facing the patio doors) could have been moved by the change in air pressure every time the patio doors were opened /closed  - as it was breezy that night and so that might have been the reason.

A third option

The position of the door never changed at  all   ...  and the McCanns lied about it in order to facilitate the  'abduction'  witnessed by Jane Tanner at precisely 9.15pm

[VIXTE]

IMO the most possible option is one, that the abductor was in the apartment all of this time.

And if yes, then it would be interesting to know why.

[Benice]

A third option

The position of the door never changed at  all   ...  and the McCanns lied about it in order to facilitate the  'abduction'  witnessed by Jane Tanner at precisely 9.15pm

What?  Yet more lies? Good grief - the list of lies the McCanns told that night according to some people, must be in the hundreds by now.  Practically every word they uttered was a lie in some people's opinion.   

Common sense tells me that cannot be the case as no two human beings could possibly remember them all.     And why go to such complicated convoluted lengths - when if they had found their daughter dead in the apartment, all they had to do was wait until the dead of night,  remove the body to this unfindable place they knew about -  then ring the police the next morning and claim that she must have been abducted during the night?    Simples.    They were not imbeciles - which IMO they would have to be -  NOT have come up with the much simpler options that anyone with  a fraction of their intelligence would have thought of in seconds.

Sorry I've gone off the topic of the doors - but to me it's inexplicable that the McCanns would have embarked on such a convulated path involving countless lies, 7 other people, and strewn with so many potential pitfalls  - when they had absolutely no need to.