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Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #120 on: November 12, 2013, 05:40:48 PM »
Quote from: AnneGuedes on November 12, 2013, 05:38:35 PM
(Dianne Webster) clarifies that the practice was for each couple to check their own children, it not being usual for anyone to check the children of other couples.
- The question asked, she thinks that up to the date of the disappearance it had never happened that anyone had entered the apartment of another couple in order to check their offspring.

But Matthew Oldfield offered to do it in front of everyone. In front of the Dianne Webster too.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #121 on: November 12, 2013, 05:44:10 PM »
Yes he was going with Russell and Kate was getting up. So he said you stay I'm going anyway so I will do the check.
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #122 on: November 12, 2013, 05:50:45 PM »
Quote from: AnneGuedes on November 12, 2013, 05:40:23 PM
I agree, but she could easily open the door (this is why the O'Briens locked it) and the corridor had some permanent light.

the front door had this pull up lock, where the doors lock if you pull them from outside. It is questionable if Madeleine could open this type of lock.
But the shutter with the pull up cord on the side she would definitely not be able to open this, it is even hard for an adult.

Pity they never done DNA test on the shutter cord. That could have explained everything. Well, too late..
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #123 on: November 12, 2013, 05:55:13 PM »
The only possible exit for Madeleine was through the patio door and she wouldn't have closed the patio door behind her and even got down those steps. An abductor would have to carry her down those steps and then straight into the street without being seen. But he wouldn't have went back in the apartment to open windows and shutters.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 05:56:48 PM by pathfinder73 »
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Offline jassi

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #124 on: November 12, 2013, 05:56:27 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on November 12, 2013, 05:44:10 PM
Yes he was going with Russell and Kate was getting up. So he said you stay I'm going anyway so I will do the check.

I bet he regretted saying that later.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #125 on: November 12, 2013, 05:59:33 PM »
Definitely but I believe he's an innocent victim who's been caught up in the middle of this. MO never had any finger prints found on the window unless he brought out his gloves. Can't see it at all as there's no motive.
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #126 on: November 12, 2013, 06:00:25 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on November 12, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
The only possible exit for Madeleine was through the patio door and she wouldn't have closed the patio door behind her and even got down those steps. An abductor would have to carry her down those steps and then straight into the street without being seen. But he wouldn't have went back in the apartment to open windows and shutters.

Well, if we are to trust the Portuguese search dogs Madeleine went out through the main doors and most probably walking. Barefoot and holding hands of her abductor???
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Offline jassi

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #127 on: November 12, 2013, 06:02:42 PM »
Could that not equally be Madeleine coming into 5A after  a period at the creche?
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #128 on: November 12, 2013, 06:04:42 PM »
Quote from: jassi on November 12, 2013, 06:02:42 PM
Could that not equally be Madeleine coming into 5A after  a period at the creche?

no, because these dogs don't work like that. they work from the last place she was seen at.

And if we are to trust all of the info given in statements and files.. someone was in that apartment for a long period of time and that person took Madeleine out through the front door and to the car park.

this is saying, if nobody lied.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #129 on: November 12, 2013, 06:06:56 PM »
Well the cadaver dog found her scent at the bottom of the steps in the flower bed, not at the front door.
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Offline jassi

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #130 on: November 12, 2013, 06:07:30 PM »
5A was the last place she was seen, so they would start from there. Can dogs determine which direction a scent is traveling in?
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #131 on: November 12, 2013, 06:09:18 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on November 12, 2013, 06:06:56 PM
Well the cadaver dogs found her scent at the bottom of the steps in the flower bed, not at the front door.

but the search dogs which were used on the May 4th followed her scent to the car park. Two dogs on the 4th and then two dogs on the 8th, all went the same way.


I am not sure about the scent in the flower bed, is it in files? was it tested for her DNA?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #132 on: November 12, 2013, 06:12:12 PM »
The last time Madeleine was seen alive was at 5.30pm when Kate picked her up from the creche. David Payne claims that he saw her at 6.30pm. We don't know what happened after that time.
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #133 on: November 12, 2013, 06:15:28 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on November 12, 2013, 06:12:12 PM
The last time Madeleine was seen alive was at 5.30pm when Kate picked her up at the creche. David Payne claims that he saw her at 6.30pm. We don't know what happened after that time.

But Portuguese police used the search dogs quite on time, and these dogs are quite good, I read somewhere they are the second in the world, after the Canadian rescue dogs but not sure where I heard this.

These dogs search for live people and they found her live track. This would be her freshest track, meaning the last.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #134 on: November 12, 2013, 06:17:13 PM »
Well they may have picked the last scent of her when she was alive and outside at 5.30pm.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 06:20:13 PM by pathfinder73 »
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