Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?

[sadie]

Adding an extra earlier visit by intending intruder would add various difficult complications IMO, and so I go for the simpler bathroom trip explanation for the first widening of door angle.

What extra difficult complications?

[pegasus]

What extra difficult complications?

A bathroom explanation for the first door angle widening seems adequate to me (No cot sides to prevent it, had drank liquid earlier, and importantly, as reported by GM, was happily asleep after the first door angle widening).

[sadie]

What? Do you mean relatively calm only 20 minutes before whooshing curtains and doors slamming shut ? Maybe a poltergeist abducted Madeleine.

Yep, I am not saying that that happened

BUT

.... it is quite possible with a storm brewing, even if the storm didn't hit the Ocean club immediate area.


Quite possible. 


Have you ever heard ot the lull before the storm?

[sadie]

A bathroom explanation for the first door angle widening seems adequate to me (No cot sides to prevent it, had drank liquid earlier, and importantly, as reported by GM, was happily asleep after the first door angle widening).

That is a possibility , but not likely with a young bladder. imo

You said

Adding an extra earlier visit by intending intruder would add various difficult complications IMO

I dont see any difficult complications tbh.

[pegasus]

IMO GM seeing the child happily asleep in bed indicates that nothing happened until after that check.

[pathfinder73]

It doesn't explain how the door moved 3 times? Time to separate reality from fantasy.

[pegasus]

It doesn't explain how the door moved 3 times? Time to separate reality from fantasy.

For who?

[pathfinder73]

For who?

For anyone? No reasonable person would believe it.

They check on the kids before they leave at 8.30. All are sleeping.

Gerry returns 30 minutes later and finds the door open.

You say Madeleine woke up the first time and went to the bathroom. She moved the door.

Gerry checks on Madeleine and she is asleep not awake. He says she was in the exact same sleeping position she was at 8.30 i.e. she hasn't left the bed.

Matt arrives next and finds the door has moved to half-open again

You explain it by saying Madeleine has woken up a second time only minutes later. No window is open so what has awoken her? Matt doesn't see Madeleine - he probably would have done if she had got out of bed and left the room.

After then Kate finds the door wide open so it has moved a third time.

You say Madeleine is responsible for all the door moves. I say that is impossible in reality. Time for you to separate reality from fantasy.

"once you eliminate the impossible whatever remains..................

[pegasus]

They check on the kids before they leave at 8.30.

"They" is a plural word. IMO it might give the impression you think two people checked at about 8.30pm just before going out?
IMO only one did

[pathfinder73]

"They" is a plural word. IMO it might give the impression you think two people checked at about 8.30pm just before going out?
IMO only one did

As I said in my last post, Gerry said he saw her at 8.30 because he said Madeleine was in the exact same sleeping position when he checked at 9 so we can put your theory about Madeleine waking up and moving the door to bed. Somebody else moved the door or it's the other alternative.

Kate seems to be confused 

"Around 8:30-8:35 they left for the Tapas restaurant. Before leaving they checked on the children, she doesn't know who; however Gerry says it was him. She only knows the children were quiet. She doesn't know if they were in their same positions. She says she is sure that they were asleep, because Gerry told her all was quiet."

[pegasus]

... in the exact same sleeping position she was at 8.30 ...

I might be wrong about this, but on what basis did you determine that the check at about 8.30pm just before going out was a visual check (rather than just aural)?

[pathfinder73]

"Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, completely uncovered, i.e. lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and blanket, both pink, next to her head; he does not know if they were in the position that can be seen in the photograph attached to the files. The second person to go and check on the children should have been Kate." (GM 7 Sep)

"They also kissed Madeleine, who was already lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks, because it was a bit cold." (KM 6 Sep)

[pegasus]

... so we can put your theory about Madeleine waking up and moving the door to bed. ...

"we can put" is plural, so who is the other poster who shares your opinion?

IMO the child went on foot from the north bedroom to another room.
In that context IMO the increase of door-opening from less than child width to more than child width is far from surprising.

[pegasus]

"Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, completely uncovered, i.e. lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and blanket, both pink, next to her head; he does not know if they were in the position that can be seen in the photograph attached to the files. The second person to go and check on the children should have been Kate." (GM 7 Sep)

"They also kissed Madeleine, who was already lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks, because it was a bit cold." (KM 6 Sep)

In your previous posts (see above), maybe I misunderstood, but IMO you seemed to be suggesting that the check at about 8.30pm was by 2 people and was visual. I constructively (and BTW politely) raised  the possibilty both those details might be improved.
What you post now IMO refers to a completely different time, about 7.30pm, JIMO.

[icabodcrane]

Can we re-cap  ...  because I can't make head nor tail of where this thread is going  !

What has any of this got to do with the OP  :

"Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine ?"


Well,  pegasus and pathfinder  ...  did  they  ?