Praia Da Luz Church

[pathfinder73]

I don't believe she was concealed inside the church - see other thread. Thanks. Yes I believe it is very useful to look into similar cases.

[pegasus]

Thanks. I don't believe she was concealed inside the church because if she was discovered the ones with the keys would be arrested.

Oh so you are saying never concealed in church.
What are you saying then?
Do you mean within the perimeter of the land the church stands on?
If not then it starts to look like a "church not relevant" theory.
(Correctly so, JIMO)

[pathfinder73]

Oh so you are saying never concealed in church.
What are you saying then?
Do you mean within the perimeter of the land the church stands on?
If not then it starts to look like a "church not relevant" theory.
(Correctly so, JIMO)

Yes I mean in close proximity to the church e.g. there was a building site behind it at the time of her disappearance.

[pegasus]

Thanks for clarifying that.
IMO you are too far away.
Very risky taking something that distance.
Inside the panel fenced area, the most north bit, is much closer (only about 100m walk, just one road to cross), totally concealed once inside the fence (opaque), and concealed from people gazing out of high buildings by trees/bushes. IMO the construction area near church you speak of has none of those qualities of proximity and concealment from sideview or overview. It is simply too far away and too open to view.

[pathfinder73]

Thanks for clarifying that.
IMO you are too far away.
Very risky taking something that distance.
Inside the panel fenced area, the most north bit, is much closer (only about 100m walk, just one road to cross), totally concealed once inside the fence (opaque), and concealed from people gazing out of high buildings by trees/bushes. IMO the construction area near church you speak of has none of those qualities of proximity and concealment from sideview or overview. It is simply too far away and too open to view.

To be honest I would have to look at images of the area at the time but there's none in the files. Were there trenches dug etc. It makes sense for an investigator to think the beach because it's dark and safer with nobody around. They need to check the areas around the church and it looks like this may happen next week re search areas 2 and 3. But search area 1 is incorrect so who knows.

[John]

They need to check the areas around the church and it looks like this may happen next week re search areas 2 and 3. But search area 1 is incorrect so who knows.

Why is search area 1 incorrect?

[ferryman]

The Praia da Luz church?

Going way back, before the files were released, one of the rumours was that Eddie had been deployed in the church and had alerted.

If that's true, then it doesn't appear in anything we read on line, but I know we don't read everything on line.

The Times somehow secured an (obviously anonymous) interview with a PJ officer.

Whether it was him or not, I have no idea, but the mental image I have of this officer The Times interviewed precisely matches the mental image I have of PJ Inspector Dias, and his answer to the question about the, apparent, alert in the church remains vivid in my mind.

I imagine him gesticulating expansively as he replied:

OF COURSE the dog reacted in the church!  There are FUNERALS in the church!

Perhaps I shouldn't, but I couldn't help it.

I collapsed in hysterical laughter ...

[Truth]

The Praia da Luz church?

Going way back, before the files were released, one of the rumours was that Eddie had been deployed in the church and had alerted.

If that's true, then it doesn't appear in anything we read on line, but I know we don't read everything on line.

The Times somehow secured an (obviously anonymous) interview with a PJ officer.

Whether it was him or not, I have no idea, but the mental image I have of this officer The Times interviewed precisely matches the mental image I have of PJ Inspector Dias, and his answer to the question about the, apparent, alert in the church remains vivid in my mind.

I imagine him gesticulating expansively as he replied:

OF COURSE the dog reacted in the church!  There are FUNERALS in the church!

Perhaps I shouldn't, but I couldn't help it.

I collapsed in hysterical laughter ...

Corpses prepared for burial do not leave cadaverine

Cadaverine is produced by the gut

Prepared corpses have the acids replaced by embalming fluid = no cadaverine

[pegasus]

Corpses prepared for burial do not leave cadaverine

Cadaverine is produced by the gut

Prepared corpses have the acids replaced by embalming fluid = no cadaverine

In Portugal, embalming is not the norm.

[pathfinder73]

Why is search area 1 incorrect?

Search area 1 was the scrubland not the wasteland. Now I'm hearing reports they're searching outside of Luz. They should be checking near the church as I believe Smithman headed there after passing the Smith family - he was going down not up. The dogs should be checking search areas 2 & 3 and the sewer pipes. I think I read that the dogs checked search area 1 back in 2007 (Edited Not checked according to Pegasus).

[pegasus]

I think I read that the dogs checked search area 1 back in 2007.

I posted a map showing in yellow exactly the six outdoor areas which Eddie searched in 2007.

[pathfinder73]

I posted a map showing in yellow exactly the six outdoor areas which Eddie searched in 2007.

Where?

[pegasus]

Where?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4367.msg159207#msg159207

[pathfinder73]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4367.msg159207#msg159207

Thanks. Near the church should be checked as he was heading in that direction. I can't believe they didn't check those areas in 2007 after the Smith sighting so they need to do it now. You've got to follow the prime suspect.

Map by Pegasus

Yellow areas - dogs checked in 2007.

Green areas - new areas to check.

[pegasus]

You can see how the outdoor areas selected by NPIA in 2007 for search by Eddie are, apart from the tiny yellow area which is is 5A garden, all in the north-east quadrant from the apartment (based IMO on a single unconcealed carrying sighting).