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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #150 on: June 08, 2014, 12:43:34 AM »
Corpses prepared for burial do not leave cadaverine

Cadaverine is produced by the gut

Prepared corpses have the acids replaced by embalming fluid = no cadaverine
So "cadaver" dogs do not alert to human bones then?  Interesting...

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #151 on: June 08, 2014, 12:45:45 AM »
You can see how the outdoor areas selected by NPIA in 2007 for search by Eddie, apart from 5A garden, are all in the north-east quadrant from the apartment (based IMO on a single unconcealed carrying sighting).


Smithman is the prime suspect and he was going down towards Aoife Smith so I doubt he changed direction to go back up again. That doesn't make sense  8-)(--) He knew where he was going IMO.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 12:55:06 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #152 on: June 08, 2014, 12:52:27 AM »
I agree that the reported plan to search the big area on west side of Rua 1 Maio, is unlikely to be based on the Smith sighting.
However it is by far the the most interesting of all the reported 2014 planned search areas IMO.
Immediately over the road from block 4, can't get much closer than that.
It's very easy to cross just one road in the dark without anyone seeing. 

« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 12:59:47 AM by pegasus »

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Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #153 on: June 08, 2014, 01:01:22 AM »
I agree that the reported plan to search the big area on west side of Rua 1 Maio, is unlikely to be based on the Smith sighting.



If Smithman is the prime suspect then all your efforts should be concentrated on him. Madeleine was hidden somewhere close by and if he was seen heading down towards the church then you should start there.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #154 on: June 08, 2014, 01:11:11 AM »
If Smithman is the prime suspect then all your efforts should be concentrated on him. Madeleine was hidden somewhere close by and if he was seen heading down towards the church then you should start there.
I have ruled out unconcealed carrying. But looking at your theory, A.Smith's statement indicates that smithman may have gone east on Rua 25 Abril or may have gone south down Travessa das Escadinhas. That would be a safer route instead of heading for the centre of town. Also it would make sense because it would continue the general south direction he was taking. To make the church fit your smithman theory you have considered only one of the two routes A.Smith indicates as possible, and ignored the other.
(ETA corrected west to east)
« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 01:14:19 AM by pegasus »

Offline a.baker

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #155 on: June 08, 2014, 01:46:47 AM »
A search somewhere between PDL and Lagos? Do you remember,Pathfinder,when you wrote a post way back about the McCanns on a trip out in the hire car,some time in June I think? You were analysing their phone pings and there were some hours unaccounted for? They were somewhere just outside of PDL,can you remember your suspicion and what area you believed they were in? 
« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 04:52:53 AM by John »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #156 on: June 08, 2014, 10:03:19 AM »
Corpses prepared for burial do not leave cadaverine

Cadaverine is produced by the gut

Prepared corpses have the acids replaced by embalming fluid = no cadaverine

totally wrong...

decomposition begins immediately...bodies are not taken to undertakers for several hours so cadaverine has already been produced...

decomposition is not caused by acid but by bacteria throughout the gut. These are not removed by embalming....embalming slows down decomposition is does not stop it

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #157 on: June 08, 2014, 11:21:05 AM »
A search somewhere between PDL and Lagos? Do you remember,Pathfinder,when you wrote a post way back about the McCanns on a trip out in the hire car,some time in June I think? You were analysing their phone pings and there were some hours unaccounted for? They were somewhere just outside of PDL,can you remember your suspicion and what area you believed they were in?

SAT 2 JUNE - big gap one mile north of Lagos - not far from Silves Reservoir. Another big gap after visiting the beach. Maybe looking for a spot in first gap. Disposing in 2nd gap.

SAT 2 JUNE

13:55 Lagos
14:14 Ladeira do Vau (a mile to the North of Portimao)
{ 2 hours 21 minutes gap }
16:35 Praia Rocha Este (Beach to the South of Portimao)
Last ping in Praia da Rocha at 19:48
Reach Lagos Norte at 20:11
{ 2.5 hour gap }
Next ping at 22:46 back in PdL Centro

DIARY:
SATURDAY, JUNE 2: I can't remember today (which is now yesterday!).

Fed up again —poor M. Once again it took a long time before S and A were sorted. Finally went to church for 10 minutes.

Private worship (despairing!).

Cried again in bed—I can't avoid it. I need her close to me. Thinking about her fear of pain breaks my heart. Thinking about paedophiles makes me want to tear at my own skin. Of course these people, like psychopaths, aren't "normal" human beings. I was never in favour of the death penalty, but these people should be kept in a secure place. I wouldn't even complain if it was in nice surroundings, but, certainly in the case of paedophiles always distanced from any type of contact with children.

Whose human rights are more important? Those of a paedophile or of a vulnerable, defenceless child?


Kate, 39, said of the police: "They are basically saying, 'If you confess Madeleine had an accident, and that I panicked and hid the body in a bag for a month then got rid of it in a hire car, I'd get two or three years' suspended sentence.'
« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 12:13:54 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #158 on: June 08, 2014, 09:47:31 PM »
totally wrong...

decomposition begins immediately...bodies are not taken to undertakers for several hours so cadaverine has already been produced...

decomposition is not caused by acid but by bacteria throughout the gut. These are not removed by embalming....embalming slows down decomposition is does not stop it
Agreed. The portuguese have little interest in embalming anyway, it is uncommon there.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 10:02:50 PM by pegasus »

Offline pegasus

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #159 on: June 08, 2014, 10:15:16 PM »
SAT 2 JUNE ... { 2 hours 21 minutes gap } ... { 2.5 hour gap }
Just an observation: It is not unheard of for someone to turn their phone off for the duration of press or TV interview.
Haben Sie considered checking whether there was a press and/or TV interview that day?
Maybe at a hotel somewhere out of town?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #160 on: June 08, 2014, 10:37:18 PM »
Just an observation: It is not unheard of for someone to turn their phone off for the duration of press or TV interview.
Haben Sie considered checking whether there was a press and/or TV interview that day?
Maybe at a hotel somewhere out of town?


Any long ping gap discrepancies should be checked to find out. Moved a month later  >@@(*&)
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #161 on: June 08, 2014, 11:03:13 PM »
Any long ping gap discrepancies should be checked to find out. Moved a month later  >@@(*&)
One gap is presumably interviews for german TV and press (this was just before berlin)
Other gap is possibly meeting with either PJ (re forensic results) or Consulate peeps (re berlin).
IMO and "might be wrong" (please re-use this phrase free of charge).

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #162 on: June 08, 2014, 11:05:30 PM »
Let me guess did the McCanns tell you that or an independent source?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #163 on: June 08, 2014, 11:16:03 PM »
Independent obviously, very easy to find background of what was going on at this time, and I can give you a link for there being german interviews that day.

Offline Anna

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #164 on: June 08, 2014, 11:18:38 PM »
Gerry Blog:
Relatively quiet day. Did manage to repsond to some e-mails regarding campaign issues with some excellent ideas coming through. We did visit a local beach with Sean, Amelie and the rest of the family who are here and managed to get a bite to eat. Having a huge number of media reuests in but want these to be very focussed in areas that will have clear benefits in the search for Madeleine. We did do a German TV and newspaper interview which wiil be released tomorrow to incraese awareness ahead of our planned visit to Berlin later this week. Most of the Sunday newspapers will carry some of the interview as a British reporter sat in and asked a few more quetions related to the campaign strategy.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id13.html
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