Praia Da Luz Church

[pathfinder73]

Myth?

Leicestershire Police Force

From: DC443 J.N. HUGHES
To: SIO, Operation Task
Department: Main Crime Unit
Date: 16th May 2008
Refª

Subject: Background Information- Gerald McCANN

A search of the local section of the child abuse shows a registration number 19309 in the CATS system. A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.

An examination of all other police files using a search system does not reveal any information about him.
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And then there's strong allegations against Dr Payne. Never heard a guy banging on about how well the kids were on that contradictory visit.
They are just going to sweep these serious matters under the carpet are they?

[pegasus]

19309 in the CATS system

This CATS reference was opened after May 3rd, in anticipation that it might be needed for filing storing information relative to the disappearance. This CATS file was empty. The idea that this CATS reference was created prior to May 3rd and contained some information about a previous incident, is simply wrong. It is quite clear, if you actually read the text, that is what it says.

[pathfinder73]

Who created the file?

[Benice]

Myth?

Leicestershire Police Force

From: DC443 J.N. HUGHES
To: SIO, Operation Task
Department: Main Crime Unit
Date: 16th May 2008
Refª

Subject: Background Information- Gerald McCANN

A search of the local section of the child abuse shows a registration number 19309 in the CATS system. A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.

An examination of all other police files using a search system does not reveal any information about him.
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And then there's strong allegations against Dr Payne. Never heard a guy banging on about how well the kids were on that contradictory visit.
They are just going to sweep these serious matters under the carpet are they?

Strong allegations?  Are you for real?   I assume you are referring to Mrs. Gaspar whose husband was also there and did not agree with her interpretation of what David Payne said.      She heard one remark/gesture - and apparently was the only person in the company to take umbrage at it.   The rest are her 'imaginings' .     How do you explain that inspite of world wide publiciity - not a single person has ever come forward to report anything 'dodgy' about David Payne?    She was sitting inbetween Gerry and DP.  Do you really think a paedaphile would be casually making paedaphilic remarks across her - (a person who he didn't know that well,)  to the person sitting the other side of her? 

I would expect in a case like this for all the males in the company at the time to be checked out as a matter of course.      IMO this would result in a file reference no. even if nothing at all was found.  It's only purpose would be to record that a check had once been made on a particular person.

[pathfinder73]

Strong allegations?  Are you for real?   I assume you are referring to Mrs. Gaspar whose husband was also there and did not agree with her interpretation of what David Payne said.      She heard one remark/gesture - and apparently was the only person in the company to take umbrage at it.   The rest are her 'imaginings' .     How do you explain that inspite of world wide publiciity - not a single person has ever come forward to report anything 'dodgy' about David Payne?    She was sitting inbetween Gerry and DP.  Do you really think a paedaphile would be casually making paedaphilic remarks across her - (a person who he didn't know that well,)  to the person sitting the other side of her? 

I would expect in a case like this for all the males in the company at the time to be checked out as a matter of course.      IMO this would result in a file reference no. even if nothing at all was found.  It's only purpose would be to record that a check had once been made on a particular person.

You wouldn't think so but at the same time you wouldn't accuse somebody of those very serious matters unless you were certain of what was going on. She was making sure he was nowhere near her children. Bathing other kids  8-)(--) WTF is that all about. The cleaner said one cot was in parents bedroom on WED - there's enough room for a cot with their bed being next to the window. The McCanns denied the cot was in their bedroom at any time as well. One leg was wonky like it had been moved. Why is everyone wrong except the McCanns? Fenn or Plummy was wrong. More importantly What are they Hiding? Don't Con Me!

[Martina]

Strong allegations?  Are you for real?   I assume you are referring to Mrs. Gaspar whose husband was also there and did not agree with her interpretation of what David Payne said. 

Excerpt from the Mr. Gaspar's testimony:


I do not remember the context of the conversation between David and Gerry, but I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue. This happened during a meal, at the end of the day in the villa, I do not remember the time or the date, but we would usually dine between 19.30 and 21.00 every day. I think this happened in the middle of the holiday.
I remember that when I saw this gesture I immediately thought it to be in very bad taste, independently of the context of the conversation they were having.

 

[Benice]

You wouldn't think so but at the same time you wouldn't accuse somebody of those very serious matters unless you were certain of what was going on. She was making sure he was nowhere near her children. Bathing other kids  8-)(--) WTF is that all about. The cleaner said one cot was in parents bedroom on WED - there's enough room for a cot with their bed being next to the window. The McCanns denied the cot was in their bedroom at any time as well. One leg was wonky like it had been moved. Why is everyone wrong except the McCanns? Fenn or Plummy was wrong. More importantly What are they Hiding? Don't Con Me!

Mrs Gaspar was so concerned that she didn't even mention this terrible occurrence to her own husband - let alone warn her friend Kate of her concerns, and then even went out with the Paynes AGAIN.   

We don't know anything about this lady, except that English may not have been her first language and she might well have been a huge prude who put the wrong interpretation on something quite innocent.  Paedaphiles are known for their extreme secrecy, and no way would they chat about their  paedaphilic actions at the dinner table - as if it were perfectly normal.

Why would the McCanns move a cot into their bedroom on Wednesday and then move it back on Thursday?

IIRC One or more of the cots may have been in their bedroom when they arrived but they moved them.  Maybe the cleaner had a memory of that.

[pathfinder73]

Mrs Gaspar was so concerned that she didn't even mention this terrible occurrence to her own husband - let alone warn her friend Kate of her concerns, and then even went out with the Paynes AGAIN.   

We don't know anything about this lady, except that English may not have been her first language and she might well have been a huge prude who put the wrong interpretation on something quite innocent.  Paedaphiles are known for their extreme secrecy, and no way would they chat about their  paedaphilic actions at the dinner table - as if it were perfectly normal.

Why would the McCanns move a cot into their bedroom on Wednesday and then move it back on Thursday?

IIRC One or more of the cots may have been in their bedroom when they arrived but they moved them.  Maybe the cleaner had a memory of that.

Yes why would you hide that? The cot would have been in parents bedroom on TUE night when crying was heard for over an hour so is the cot connected to that incident.

[Benice]

Excerpt from the Mr. Gaspar's testimony:


I do not remember the context of the conversation between David and Gerry, but I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue. This happened during a meal, at the end of the day in the villa, I do not remember the time or the date, but we would usually dine between 19.30 and 21.00 every day. I think this happened in the middle of the holiday.
I remember that when I saw this gesture I immediately thought it to be in very bad taste, independently of the context of the conversation they were having.

He thought it was in 'bad taste'.  Thats not how I would describe a paedaphilic conversation.  I would be horrified and outraged and I would have remembered every word that was spoken - which neither of the Gaspars could.          IIRC he disagreed with his wife in that he did not think the conversation was about Madeleine.  Aso IIRC -  he went on to virtually give David Payne a reference stating that he had never seen him behave inappropriately around children.

IMO If DP had made an obvious paedaphilic remark about Madeleine to Gerry, then Gerry would have decked him there and then - and that would have been the end of their friendship.

And I ask again - why has not a single victim or concerned parent come forward even though this information has been publicised around the world?

[Benice]

Yes why would you hide that? The cot would have been in parents bedroom on TUE night when crying was heard for over an hour so is the cot connected to that incident.

IMO the cleaner made a mistake - as there is no sinister reason that I can think of why a cot which was moved out of the McCanns bedroom on the day they arrived, should be moved back into their bedroom on Tuesday and then moved back into the front bedroom on Thursday.

[Martina]

He thought it was in 'bad taste'.  Thats not how I would describe a paedaphilic conversation.  I would be horrified and outraged and I would have remembered every word that was spoken - which neither of the Gaspars could.          IIRC he disagreed with his wife in that he did not think the conversation was about Madeleine.  Aso IIRC -  he went on to virtually give David Payne a reference stating that he had never seen him behave inappropriately around children.

Well, I don't think anyone would share any blatantly paedophiliac thoughts at a dinner table. That would head them straight into trouble. But something not so clearly sexual, that might be interpreted in an innocent way... That might happen.
And if it wasn't anything clearly paedophiliac... Would you be so eager to alarm everyone and ruin the life of the potentially innocent person? Mrs. Gaspar, as you stated yourself, did not have any hard evidence, just one distasteful remark.

And I ask again - why has not a single victim or concerned parent come forward even though this information has been publicised around the world?

Because the sexual molestation leaves the victims in deep shame. The perpetrators convince their victims, that nobody would believe them, that it was their fault, that they, the molested children are bad and if someone gets to know what happened nobody would love them. That's how the sexual molesters work, that's why many victims speak after years, when they are adult. That's why many of the sexual molesters can avoid punishment for decades.

[pegasus]

IMO the cleaner made a mistake - as there is no sinister reason that I can think of why a cot which was moved out of the McCanns bedroom on the day they arrived, should be moved back into their bedroom on Tuesday and then moved back into the front bedroom on Thursday.

On the 28th I believe MW staff delivered 3 cots before the group arrived?
Did MW staff put all 3 cots in the south bedroom?
Or some in each bedroom?

[pathfinder73]

IMO the cleaner made a mistake - as there is no sinister reason that I can think of why a cot which was moved out of the McCanns bedroom on the day they arrived, should be moved back into their bedroom on Tuesday and then moved back into the front bedroom on Thursday.

The cleaner made a mistake on WED? What a surprise 

[Benice]

Well, I don't think anyone would share any blatantly paedophiliac thoughts at a dinner table. That would head them straight into trouble. But something not so clearly sexual, that might be interpreted in an innocent way... That might happen.
And if it wasn't anything clearly paedophiliac... Would you be so eager to alarm everyone and ruin the life of the potentially innocent person? Mrs. Gaspar, as you stated yourself, did not have any hard evidence, just one distasteful remark.


Because the sexual molestation leaves the victims in deep shame. The perpetrators convince their victims, that nobody would believe them, that it was their fault, that they, the molested children are bad and if someone gets to know what happened nobody would love them. That's how the sexual molesters work, that's why many victims speak after years, when they are adult. That's why many of the sexual molesters can avoid punishment for decades.

Recent events re Operation Yewtree(?)  would appear to contradict that.  As soon as the allegations were made public about certain people  - hundreds of victims came forward.    But not one victim has come forward as a result of the 'allegations' made against  DP  - which have been 'doing the rounds' for years now.   Common sense alone dictates that is because there are none.

[Benice]

The cleaner made a mistake on WED? What a surprise 

Why is it a surprise.  The cleaner may be remembering the cots from the weekend - it depends on when she was interviewed and how long back she had to remember, and also they do clean other apartments which may have cots in them.  It's not something she would have any reason to remember in detail.

Unless you can come up with a feasible reason why a cot was moved backwards and forwards from room to room - then I think the cleaner was mistaken in her recollection.