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Offline pathfinder73

Praia Da Luz Church
« on: October 20, 2013, 10:27:12 AM »
Why did the McCann's request for keys and receive them several days later to this church after the disappearance of Madeleine? What did Kate McCann write in her book "Madeleine" about how they got and the reason for getting the keys to this church? Press and media won't be following you into a church so why would you need the keys? I have my own conclusions but I would like to hear your thoughts please.

« Last Edit: July 23, 2014, 09:54:23 PM by Admin »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Apostate

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 10:39:30 AM »
To pray in solitude would be my guess.

Benita

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Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 10:40:06 AM »
Why did the McCann's request for keys and receive them several days later to this church after the disappearance of Madeleine? What did Kate McCann write in her book "Madeleine" about how they got and the reason for getting the keys to this church? Press and media won't be following you into a church so why would you need the keys? I have my own conclusions but I would like to hear your thoughts please.




well seeing as you posted this up and are asking the question ..then its only manners  you should post your thoughts first ...just saying

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 10:42:14 AM »
Smithman the main suspect at present when he passed the Smith family turned and was going in the direction of that church on the night Madeleine went missing. If anyone doesn't think that is important then they are living on another planet.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Benice

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2013, 10:43:06 AM »
It seems it may not have been the McCanns idea to have the keys to the church.   I presume they were given the keys so that they could go there whenever they felt the need.    My church is always open and sometimes its nice to go in and sit quietly - even for an atheist like me.
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Translation of Father Pachecos Statement to the PJ 30th October 2007

Jose Manuel Conceicao Pacheco

The first time he had contact with the McCann's was on 5th May at about 19.00. This was a personal contact with them in the Ocean Club at their apartment, but not the apartment Madeleine disappeared from. They were accompanied by members of the holiday group.

This was an important meeting for the McCann's and which had not been possible to the fact that they were busy. He knows that on the fateful night the McCann's requested the presence of a priest, but he was only informed the following morning.

On the 5th, the theme they talked about was the disappearance and he gave all possible spiritual comfort and they prayed together. They also agreed that the couple would go to the church the following day to attend a mass.

He also prayed with the McCann's on the 6th and 8th May in their apartment.

He gave them the key to the church on the 7th or 8th May upon the suggestion of John Geraghty, a resident of the parish, so that they could calmly go to the church without any media pressure. Someone from the church gave the key to John Geraghty, who then passed it on to the McCann's, with Father Pacheco's permission.

He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned.
Other contact with the McCann's took place at the end of mass when he would comfort them.

He would also meet with the McCann's after they returned from their trips and remembered they were animated when they returned from Morocco as they thought they would Madeleine there. He also comforted Kate when the news of a child buried in Arau broke, as she revealed great nervousness and anxiety, thinking that the child had died.

When questioned, he said he never heard their confessions, perhaps because they only spoke English.

He never talked to them alone.

He states that they showed great suffering to the loss of their daughter.[/b

]He adds that a parish bulletin was published giving spiritual, moral and human support to the couple and to other missing children.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2013, 10:47:58 AM »
I doubt they are going to hand over keys unless a request is made. Was a request made by the McCann's to John Geraghty? We need to know the answer to this question. What does the book say?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Benita

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Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2013, 10:53:07 AM »
I doubt they are going to hand over keys unless a request is made. Was a request made by the McCann's to John Geraghty? We need to know the answer to this question. What does the book say?


we need to know answers to many things are we gunna get them on here ...no!

benice has just posted ..why they had a key ..read it

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2013, 10:55:23 AM »
What does the book say?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2013, 10:56:04 AM »
I doubt they are going to hand over keys unless a request is made. Was a request made by the McCann's to John Geraghty? We need to know the answer to this question. What does the book say?

I don't think you're going to get an answer to that , unless Geraghty is going to volunteer one.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Benita

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Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2013, 10:58:00 AM »
What does the book say?

I suggest you read it ..you cant rely on others to go searching for you ..you obviously haven't done any research ..it does help don't ya know.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2013, 11:03:07 AM »
Well I saw the amazon preview and there is no mention of Smithman in the key sightings section of the book which I thought was very surprising.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Luz

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2013, 11:12:54 AM »
To pray in solitude would be my guess.

The hypocrite catholic side of me says that a good catholic prays anywhere, even in your bathtub.

The use of the church for personal means was an heresy. The inhabitants of the village didn't take it well. They felt it was an abuse. The church belongs to the people and not to a carer that chose to give the key to the McCann without consulting anyone, not even the priest (the Priest Pacheco never authorized for them to have the key, he just accepted it after the fact).

Nobody knows what they did inside the church, and whatever it was it didn't have anything to do with the search for their daughter but only with a PR maneuver to show them as devoted.



In fact they rarely used the church, at the most they went there twice, but they wanted the public to believe that they went there frequently.
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Offline Benice

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2013, 11:22:36 AM »
The hypocrite catholic side of me says that a good catholic prays anywhere, even in your bathtub.

The use of the church for personal means was an heresy. The inhabitants of the village didn't take it well. They felt it was an abuse. The church belongs to the people and not to a carer that chose to give the key to the McCann without consulting anyone, not even the priest.

Nobody knows what they did inside the church, and whatever it was it didn't have anything to do with the search for their daughter but only with a PR maneuver to show them as devoted.

In fact they rarely used the church, at the most they went there twice, but they wanted the public to believe that they went there frequently.

I don't believe for a second that the inhabitants of the village were as meanspirited and unchristian as you suggest - in fact all the evidence showed the opposite and  they could not have been kinder and more sympathetic towards to the McCanns.

How nasty to even suggest the Portugese people could be so petty and heartless.








The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2013, 11:25:29 AM »
"He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned." Not good is it? Not even a guess lol.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Benice

Re: Praia Da Luz Church
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2013, 11:43:30 AM »
"He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned." Not good is it? Not even a guess lol.

Why would he need to specifically remember?  What difference does it make to anything?

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal