Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[Mr Gray]

You said  :

"Anyone who says the McCanns used the word jemmied, is, in fact  telling lies"

That statement is unsupported and  indefensible  ...  you do realise that, dont you  ?

I am using the word liar in the context of the post and the context it is used against the McCanns ..check the posts

[Redblossom]

I am using the word liar in the context of the post and the context it is used against the McCanns ..check the posts

there is no context either in the op or in your other post


"anyone who says the McCanns used the word jemmied is in fact telling lies"

And why is it ao important to you the the word jemmied wasnt used

As pointed out before,  you dont know whether one or both of them used that word ( but lets face it the probability is extremely high as he rang his sister first, that he did say that and she had trouble pronouncing it)....so your claim a) that people who say it are liars, why liars straight off?? cant be backed up but b) more important is your claim they did not use the word.... You cant back this claim up at all.....cant explain it simpler than that...anyway Im out of here
 

[Angelo222]

So now that the off topic posts have been whooshed let's consider what the truth is.  The McCann relatives and friends back home in the UK were telling the press on the very morning that Madeleine disappeared that the shutter had been forced and/or jemmied.  Did they make it all up??  Did they hell!!

It is almost certain that the word transmitted from Portugal was jemmied but regardless what word was used the meaning was very apparent.

The McCanns were wrong though, totally mistaken.  Wrong about the shutter being forced, wrong about them being jemmied and wrong that an intruder enter the childrens bedroom via the window and left by the same route carrying Madeleine.

[Mr Gray]

So now that the off topic posts have been whooshed let's consider what the truth is.  The McCann relatives and friends back home in the UK were telling the press on the very morning that Madeleine disappeared that the shutter had been forced and/or jemmied.  Did they make it all up??  Did they hell!!

It is almost certain that the word transmitted from Portugal was jemmied but regardless what word was used the meaning was very apparent.

The McCanns were wrong though, totally mistaken.  Wrong about the shutter being forced, wrong about them being jemmied and wrong that an intruder enter the childrens bedroom via the window and left by the same route carrying Madeleine.

[Angelo222]

I would be careful Dave, another breach and you will be over your limit.

[Mr Gray]

I would be careful Dave, another breach and you will be over your limit.

How have I breached
There is no proof that the McCanns used the word Gemmied, ..lots of speculation and opinion but no proof

[Angelo222]

How have I breached
There is no proof that the McCanns used the word Gemmied, ..lots of speculation and opinion but no proof

You and another poster have persisted in posting an off topic discussion.

Did Gerry's sister have one of these premonitions or dreams which the family appear to have from time to time.  Did she dream it?  Of course she didn't because Gerry told her.

[Redblossom]

Just a reminder davel!

You claimed as fact and not opinion, the following:
"Kate and Gerry never said the windows had been jemmied"
Youve still to back it up
If youre going to nitpick then others will too, fair is fair etc

[Angelo222]

Isn't that what he told the two GNR officers who first attended the scene, that the shutters had been forced??

[Redblossom]

Isn't that what he told the two GNR officers who first attended the scene, that the shutters had been forced??

i dont thnk they ever said that to the GNR, at least Ive never come across it

[Mr Gray]

You and another poster have persisted in posting an off topic discussion.

Did Gerry's sister have one of these premonitions or dreams which the family appear to have from time to time.  Did she dream it?  Of course she didn't because Gerry told her.

that's the whole point we don't know what words he used...probably forced..which was the word used to the GNR

[Redblossom]

that's the whole point we don't know what words he used...probably forced..which was the word used to the GNR

then why the OP? You keep avoiding answering....do so so we can wrap this up! Just admit your OP cannot be a fact as you dont know what word was used.......
Admitting one is wrong is graceful and sign of a big person.....

[AnneGuedes]

Isn't that what he told the two GNR officers who first attended the scene, that the shutters had been forced??

No, Angelo, this is precisely the interesting point : they were forced for the UK family/friends, only open for the GNR.
I'm sure they were in a terrible state, but their heads were screwed on right.

[icabodcrane]

An interesting snippet from Kate's book 

( immediately on returning to the apartment following Kate's alarm )

Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window.  Rushing outside,  he made the sickening discovery that it could be raised from this side, too,  not just from the inside as we'd though

So Gerry was aware, from the very begining,  that the  shutters had not been  'forced or jemmied'  ...  given that he had raised them himself   (   without any   forcing or jemmying  ) 

[Angelo222]

Fact is the shutter could only have been
 raised from the outside if >> 1. It wasn't locked or 2. The sliding window wasn't locked.

Or to put it another way. Nobody could enter via the window as long as the window or the shutter were locked.