Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.

[jassi]

ok - it was wrong - and then?

Misleading and only corrected some considerable time afterwards by the Mouthpiece.

[Mr Gray]

100%  certainly wasn't the case

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but of course K and G never said the shutters were damaged...imo

[imustpointout]

Misleading and only corrected some considerable time afterwards by the Mouthpiece.

but then what - what importance does this have?

things moved on a long time ago.

[C.Edwards]

any term will do - it has been proven to be irrelevant as a friendly ex copper was recorded lifting the shutters quite easily from outside, courtesy of Brown.

5 years down the line when it's been reported by the ocean club that the shutters have been broken numerous times by the inquisitive and journalists, how do you know that those shutters are anything like the state they were in on the 3rd May, 2007?

My experience of shutters in Spain and Portugal (lost key both times!) is they're almost impossible to shift from the outside to any serious degree. They move a bit and then buckle and jam.

If you know that the shutters in Pat Brown's video are exactly the same as they were in May 2007 then you have a valid point on how easy they are to lift.

[Redblossom]

what about smashed,,, another word attributed to K and G

That was Jon Corner....exagerrator extraordinaire for extra extra dramatic effect, its not the only time he did that either when speaking to the media about events in thr case,  well it is his field! Media and PR! Everyone else spoke of forced, jemmied,  broken, broken into....the first two words 100% fact and almost 100% fact.. 

Oh PS it was Corner attributing those words to Kate not anyone else, his words are in quotes, so unless the paper was lying in doing so, maybe she did say that.....how can anyone know? maybe the paper "misquoted him"

[imustpointout]

The discussion about the shutters has gone on for 7 years and has achieved absolutely nothing.

But it was a great laugh to see pretendy ex cop Pete lift them so easily.

It may be that the owner of the apt decided to downgrade the security aspect of the shutters and make them so easy to lift.

But the reality is  - it is irrelevant.

[Redblossom]

The discussion about the shutters has gone on for 7 years and has achieved absolutely nothing.

But it was a great laugh to see pretendy ex cop Pete lift them so easily.

It may be that the owner of the apt decided to downgrade the security aspect of the shutters and make them so easy to lift.

But the reality is  - it is irrelevant.

???

Everythng in this case is relevant to a small or larger degree, even if you decree otherwise..

[imustpointout]

???

Everythng in this case is relevant to a small or larger degree, even if you decree otherwise..

I expressed opinion - I didn't decree anything.

[Redblossom]

I expressed opinion - I didn't decree anything.

You said the shutters discussion is irrelevant...plus you didnt clarify what you meant by maybe the owner changed the shutters to less secure?

[Montclair]

The discussion about the shutters has gone on for 7 years and has achieved absolutely nothing.

But it was a great laugh to see pretendy ex cop Pete lift them so easily.

It may be that the owner of the apt decided to downgrade the security aspect of the shutters and make them so easy to lift.

But the reality is  - it is irrelevant.

You can lift them a bit if you can get your hand under them and if they are not fully closed but they fall right back down if you let go. If they are not fully closed you can only lift them up a distance equivalent to the open spaces between each slat and as I already said, when you let go they fall back down. No matter how hard you push, the slats will not roll around the mechanism up above. That can only be done using the strap in the house.

[imustpointout]

You said the shutters discussion is irrelevant...plus you didnt clarify what you meant by maybe the owner changed the shutters to less secure?

edwards seems to think that people downgrade their shutters and make them easier to open in later years - don't just read my comments - read the comments that i am replying to.

[imustpointout]

You can lift them a bit if you can get your hand under them and if they are not fully closed but they fall right back down if you let go. If they are not fully closed you can only lift them up a distance equivalent to the open spaces between each slat and as I already said, when you let go they fall back down. No matter how hard you push, the slats will not roll around the mechanism up above. That can only be done using the strap in the house.

yes - and I believe what you have said is perfectly correct.

[Redblossom]

edwards seems to think that people downgrade their shutters and make them easier to open in later years - don't just read my comments - read the comments that i am replying to.

I suggest you reread c edwards comment, he said nothing of the sort!
 

[imustpointout]

If you know that the shutters in Pat Brown's video are exactly the same as they were in May 2007 then you have a valid point on how easy they are to lift.

[Mr Gray]

 I think the point is that if you had shutters which were difficult to raise from the outside..ie a good anti crime feature...would you replace them with something a bit more burglar friendly..its  a good point