Jeremy Bamber - The gouge marks on Nevill's arm

[Anna]

True but she reported them to be fresh scratches which had healed by the time the police got round to interviewing him.

So no evidence of scratches ever being there. She was acting very much like some others who were embroidering(If that is the correct word in this case) Why elaborate on the damning evidence that she and others gave, if she loved him as much as she said? Did she stop loving him the moment that their relationship broke up?....She says ,not.

Hearsay seems to be all that this case consisted of.

[Myster]

CAL states in her book when she met with Dr V he confirmed they were not from fingernails.  I thought in the reports on here he refers to them being caused by a blunt instrument.  I have taken this to mean the rifle.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=275.msg27947#msg27947

Dr Vanezis recently clarified with CAL that they appeared to be pistol-whips, i.e. with the rifle, where the metal barrel rather than the wooden butt or butt-end is used to strike an opponent, in this case several times on Nevill's right forearm.

[John]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=275.msg27947#msg27947

Dr Vanezis recently clarified with CAL that they appeared to be pistol-whips, i.e. with the rifle, where the metal barrel rather than the wooden butt or butt-end is used to strike an opponent, in this case several times on Nevill's right forearm.

Without the silencer I assume?

[Myster]

Without the silencer I assume?

No mention of a moderator concerning pistol-whipping, but if one was attached it may not have come anywhere near his forearm considering the Anschutz long barrel length.

[Passer-by]

Would there be a poker-like hook implement associated with the AGA perhaps grabbed in haste,

[Anna]

Would there be a poker-like hook implement associated with the AGA perhaps grabbed in haste,

These are the tools that were hanging beside the AGA. There was a mega struggle went on in that area, I believe. It is also possible that the burns occurred here too. I think Neville headed for downstairs, for some reason(dog?) and when he heard the gun, he assumed that it was Sheila and phoned the police and ???. Then he ran back upstairs to be greeted by the killer who shot him while s/he was in a higher position than Neville. The struggle downstairs continued and then the killer went to check that they were all dead upstairs, possibly shooting June again. They then planted the gun on Sheila and left, or committed suicide, depending on who it was.

[Passer-by]

These are the tools that were hanging beside the AGA. There was a mega struggle went on in that area, I believe. It is also possible that the burns occurred here too. I think Neville headed for downstairs, for some reason(dog?) and when he heard the gun, he assumed that it was Sheila and phoned the police and ???. Then he ran back upstairs to be greeted by the killer who shot him while s/he was in a higher position than Neville. The struggle downstairs continued and then the killer went to check that they were all dead upstairs, possibly shooting June again. They then planted the gun on Sheila and left, or committed suicide, depending on who it was.

I just posted something similar on another thread, except I wondered if he was up for a calf or as part of the job:  it seems much more likely to me.  I think if he had been in bed next to June as a valiant ex-serviceman his first instinct would have been to put himself between her and the killer and try to grab the gun irrespective of the consequences:  he would have died in the bedroom.

[Holly Goodhead]

No mention of a moderator concerning pistol-whipping, but if one was attached it may not have come anywhere near his forearm considering the Anschutz long barrel length.

What about the small piece that stands up on the barrel near the muzzle causing the gouge?  Not sure of the tech name but I think it's some sort of basic in-built sight.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=88.msg732#msg732

[Passer-by]

Just as an aside, didn't the first bunch of police, who thought they were entering a siege, barge across the kitchen and try to force their way up those stairs, which were clearly being used as a cupboard for junk, only to find it was blocked/locked at the top, and then all squeeze out backwards again and push round the kitchen table:  isn't that more likely to have caused all that mess - isn't it all stuff that's fallen out of the stairwell? I'm sure in another photograph I saw the table still set for breakfast, and the pendent light, far from having a shattered glass shade (which logic dictates would fall to the floor) in fact has a shredded-looking blue plastic lampshade.  So perhaps the glass was only from the lightbulb, if at all?  And I understood it turned out later the sugar was only in one small area of the room and may even have been knocked over by the police barging in?

[Passer-by]

Does anyone else think that the marks on Nevill's arms are the same as those on his back?  They certainly weren't caused by any rifle barrel.

Could he have been whipped with a dog-lead and the clasp have caused the round marks?

[Myster]

What about the small piece that stands up on the barrel near the muzzle causing the gouge?  Not sure of the tech name but I think it's some sort of basic in-built sight.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=88.msg732#msg732

It's a foresight with a clip-on cylindrical light shield, which is normally removed when a telescopic sight is fitted so that doesn't obstruct the view. That could have caused the deeper, smaller open wounds in line with the long narrow bruises.

There's a fixed rear sight, which might also have caused the those wounds, just poking out above the stock near the policeman's left ear.

[Anna]

Could he have been whipped with a dog-lead and the clasp have caused the round marks?

t could have been anything with the struggle that was going on.
There's door catches if he fell against one(they are quite sharp on the old doors(like mine) and of course so many knobs and handles on the aga.
The burn marks on his back are more interesting.

[Holly Goodhead]

t could have been anything with the struggle that was going on.
There's door catches if he fell against one(they are quite sharp on the old doors(like mine) and of course so many knobs and handles on the aga.
The burn marks on his back are more interesting.

Anna what makes you think there was a "struggle"?

[Holly Goodhead]

Just as an aside, didn't the first bunch of police, who thought they were entering a siege, barge across the kitchen and try to force their way up those stairs, which were clearly being used as a cupboard for junk, only to find it was blocked/locked at the top, and then all squeeze out backwards again and push round the kitchen table:  isn't that more likely to have caused all that mess - isn't it all stuff that's fallen out of the stairwell? I'm sure in another photograph I saw the table still set for breakfast, and the pendent light, far from having a shattered glass shade (which logic dictates would fall to the floor) in fact has a shredded-looking blue plastic lampshade.  So perhaps the glass was only from the lightbulb, if at all?  And I understood it turned out later the sugar was only in one small area of the room and may even have been knocked over by the police barging in?

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[Myster]

These are the tools that were hanging beside the AGA. There was a mega struggle went on in that area, I believe. It is also possible that the burns occurred here too. I think Neville headed for downstairs, for some reason(dog?) and when he heard the gun, he assumed that it was Sheila and phoned the police and ???. Then he ran back upstairs to be greeted by the killer who shot him while s/he was in a higher position than Neville. The struggle downstairs continued and then the killer went to check that they were all dead upstairs, possibly shooting June again. They then planted the gun on Sheila and left, or committed suicide, depending on who it was.

There was no phone call from Nevill to the police that morning... the only one they received was from Jeremy Bamber.

Most of the shell casings were found on the floor of the master bedroom, so Nevill was shot and wounded there, not on the stairs lower down than his assailant.