Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.

[gilet]

the thing  about the Smith sighting - is that he never claimed he saw his face - in fact he said in his initial statement that he didn't see the face

His claim that it could have been Gerry ( 60-80% ) is based on how Gerry carried one of the twins - and seeing him on TV weeks later

Coupled with  the fact that there are witnesses who put Gerry around the Tapas Bar at about 10'ish - can you ever see this getting anywhere near a court - he would get crucified

But lets forget all that - are we really still saying that Gerry at about 10.00pm - bearing in mind  what had just kicked off was really somewhere else desperately trying to " hide " his daughter ?? really ???  I just cant see how this could ever have happened - timing wise , why maddie was never ever found , why no one  else saw this ,

I think there is more credence in some of the theories that they had a false maddie going to the crèche every day than this - even over in haverns site which thinks Gerry is a close second to atilla the hun they don't think that this is possible

just cant see it

Excellent points.

[gilet]

He also threw in some lurid insinuations about DP just for the hell of it - no attempt to actually link them in. And of course, there was all the nonsense about the hire car, sedation, the sofa, Kate's mental health - none of it fitted together into a single theory, it was all just mud and he hoped if he threw enough of it some would stick.

And Amaral and his thesis has now been thrown to the wolves by the PJ from Oporto who have found sufficient sustainable evidence for the case to be re-opened and have gone on record as stating that evidence is not concerning the McCanns who are not suspects, arguidos or persons of interest but potential abductors.

[Apostate]

Pt police just going through the motions IMO - will lead nowhere

[gilet]

Good, innit.

Excellent news and only to be expected really.

The team in Oporto, being made up entirely according to the news of child abduction experts, are pursuing real leads and have no need of Amaral's thesis to divert their time. The fact that almost all the parts of Amaral's thesis were investigated five years ago and shown not to have any evidential bearing on the McCanns might have given people a clue but they seem to have missed it.

[gilet]

Pt police just going through the motions IMO - will lead nowhere

Well that means that the Portuguese government in the role of the MP is also going through the motions as following your idea they will be aware that there is no substantial evidence on which to base the re-opening.

Will Obama and Putin have been consulted do you think?

[Redblossom]

And Amaral and his thesis has now been thrown to the wolves by the PJ from Oporto who have found sufficient sustainable evidence for the case to be re-opened and have gone on record as stating that evidence is not concerning the McCanns who are not suspects, arguidos or persons of interest but potential abductors.

Well quite though, if the leads are about  line of inquiry is a foreign paedophile gang, as reported in the news, they wont be suspects  in this instant will they? And no no interim PJ (NOT Amaral) report has been thrown to the wolves, Id keep that knee jerk under control if I were you....

[gilet]

RTP probably got this information from BBC who got it from Jim Gamble. Here, in Portugal the PJ have not made any such statement and never would say any such thing, especially now that the "segredo de justiça" is going to be applied severly and nothing of the investigation will be known until the case has been resolved.  Enough speculation!

So you are now calling RTP liars even though you showed last night you actually have no understanding of PT law. Its a very resounding answer to your question regarding arguido status though isn't it.

I don't think there is any speculation about that at all. Clearly the McCanns who discussed the re-opening last week with the PJ are not arguidos at all. That rather backs up the RTP statement and demonstrates it is not speculation.

[Victoria]

Well quite though, if the keads are about  line of inquiry is a foreign paedophile gang, as reported in the news, they wont be suspects  in this instant will they?

What point are you trying to make?

[gilet]

Well quite though, if the keads are about  line of inquiry is a foreign paedophile gang, as reported in the news, they wont be suspects  in this instant will they?

No, and not in the future either. The people against whom who the evidence has been put to the AG will be the suspects.

[Montclair]

They do have more or less the same rights an arguido has, for example request, justifying it, some diligence here and there, a deeper investigation on determined points, etc.
This modality requires a lawyer and lawyers are expensive..
Curiously they never used these rights once they were made arguidos. I always wondered why, as they many times complained not to know what was going on.

AFAIK, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that if the McCanns had asked for the case not be shelved in 2008, it would have gone to the "fase de instrução" which is another phase of the investigation and they could have asked to be "assistentes" at that time. I believe that the McCanns want to be "assistentes" so that can have access to the investigation files. They are afraid much more than anyone thinks.

[Redblossom]

What point are you trying to make?

I thought it was clear enough......the new lines of inquiry relate to a foreign paedo gang....so thats why the Mccanns are not suspects, hello?

[Eleanor]

Well that means that the Portuguese government in the role of the MP is also going through the motions as following your idea they will be aware that there is no substantial evidence on which to base the re-opening.

Will Obama and Putin have been consulted do you think?

Amaral won't be consulted.  We can be sure of that.

[Victoria]

AFAIK, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that if the McCanns had asked for the case not be shelved in 2008, it would have gone to the "fase de instrução" which is another phase of the investigation and they could have asked to be "assistentes" at that time. I believe that the McCanns want to be "assistentes" so that can have access to the investigation files. They are afraid much more than anyone thinks.

Any proof of your claims about the ambassador yet? Might want to back that one up before you make any more.

[Redblossom]

No, and not in the future either. The people against whom who the evidence has been put to the AG will be the suspects.

Of course, I said no different....but you cannot on that basis become mystic meg all of a sudden can you?and decree anything.....you are not party to information, the investigation or anything else.....
 
 

[Eleanor]

AFAIK, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that if the McCanns had asked for the case not be shelved in 2008, it would have gone to the "fase de instrução" which is another phase of the investigation and they could have asked to be "assistentes" at that time. I believe that the McCanns want to be "assistentes" so that can have access to the investigation files. They are afraid much more than anyone thinks.

What?  Don't be ridiculous.  Afraid of what?