Author Topic: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.  (Read 68790 times)

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Offline gilet

Wasn't Mr Smith's daughter feeling unwell ? if this was the case, she may not have been paying much attention and been unable to contribute constructively to the description.

Are you going to suggest that this unwellness of the daughter also contributed to the son's inability to pick out Gerry or have you a different excuse for that one?


Offline Angelo222

When did Mr. Smith's daughter even suggest that it was Gerry McCann they saw?
60% could well be greater than 50%, but not by much.  Especially coming from a man whose family didn't agree with him.

My mistake sorry.  She in fact said she was 60% certain it was Madeleine McCann she saw.  So if the father is 60%-80% certain it was Gerry McCann what are we supposed to believe?  Coincidence??
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Offline Eleanor

Wasn't Mr Smith's daughter feeling unwell ? if this was the case, she may not have been paying much attention and been unable to contribute constructively to the description.

So because she wasn't feeling well this somehow suggests that her failure to comment means that she believed it was Gerry?

I think I've just about heard it all now.

Offline gilet

between 60 and 80% sure! So round it off to 70 for good measure...thats quite high by any measure

And his wife agreed with him!
Something some wish to sweep under the carpet.....

We have no evidence that his wife agreed with him. She refused to give a statement and the husband's word is simply hearsay.

It is not sweeping it under the carpet to re-iterate that there is no evidence she ever said it.

Offline jassi

between 60 and 80% sure! So round it off to 70 for good measure...thats quite high by any measure

And his wife agreed with him!
Something some wish to sweep under the carpet.....

You would think that people would be hopeful that Smithman actually was abductorman, and thus provide some evidence of a stranger abduction, instead of suggesting that the Smith testimony is flawed and unreliable.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Redblossom

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We have no evidence that his wife agreed with him. She refused to give a statement and the husband's word is simply hearsay.

It is not sweeping it under the carpet to re-iterate that there is no evidence she ever said it.

pedantic libel

Offline Angelo222

Wasn't Mr Smith's daughter feeling unwell ? if this was the case, she may not have been paying much attention and been unable to contribute constructively to the description.

No, his 12 year old daughter Aoife was perfectly sound as was her eyesight.  It was his daughter in law who was unwell.
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Offline jassi

No, his 12 year old daughter was perfectly sound as was her eyesight.  It was his daughter in law who was unwell.

Ah, thanks, wrong female.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Redblossom

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You would think that people would be hopeful that Smithman actually was abductorman, and thus provide some evidence of a stranger abduction, instead of suggesting that the Smith testimony is flawed and unreliable.

Mr Smith is the latest baddie because he thinks it was GM he saw......thing is...months before he said that the mccanns never advertised the family sighting at all either, curious.......in my book....and even if it was in the media that he had said that, the FACT put out that GM was seen in the restaraunt at the same time is somethng else that shouldnt have stopped them....instead the elephant in the room was ignored whikst they chased australian socialites that might have had some connextion to a marina in spain....deary me
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Offline Angelo222

Ah, thanks, wrong female.

No probs jassi.  I make mistakes all the time too as there is so much to take in.  No wonder a case like this supports so many myths.
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Offline gilet

But supporters of the McCann's have been saying for years it is accepted in statement analysis that witnesses timings are prone to be wrong in order to explain discrepancies in the Tapas statements. Why doesn't that same principal apply to Gerry's alibi at this time?

But there are no discrepancies in this instance. They all put him in the same place at the same time.


Offline gilet

No, his 12 year old daughter Aoife was perfectly sound as was her eyesight.  It was his daughter in law who was unwell.

And oddly neither felt able to even confirm the possibility that Martin claimed regarding the man being Gerry. Nor did the son either.

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Paulo Rebelo reviewed thoroughly the Amaral investigation, he's now deputy national director of the PJ.

Offline Albertini

He doesn't use the word possibility. He makes it clear by referring to a percentage it is not a certainty and therefore is only a possibility.

I am not responding to posts from blogs. We have been told by admin to refrain from bringing such material here so I will not comment till you bring actual evidence for me to comment on. I am rather shocked that you should rely on blogs so heavily.

No need for the faux shock about the blogs. The point is i am of the same opinion regarding the crime scene in direct contradiction to your outrageous claim that the parents did not contaminate the crime scene.

So for the sake of discussion let us say that it is my position and my argument.

The fact is the parents did contaminate the scene before the police arrived and the McCann's destroyed the only solid physical evidence that would have determined the key questions about the apartment which could then have been used in court.

And that's why you will not respond to the piece, because you cannot argue with the logic. it debunks your assertion and you are not prepared to discuss it because to do so would be to admit you were wrong.

As for the dogs, yes they are an indication. Not evidence. But they were an indication that was thoroughly investigated at length and still no corroboration was found. I believe Martin Grime tells us that the alerts are of no evidential value unless corroborated.

So we have an indication, right? Not an indication the McCann's did anything but an indication of a death in the apartment. Why are you not prepared to admit that an abductor could have been responsible for the death in the apartment? 

That's the problem with McCann supporters and the dog evidence. It's nothing to do with the indications they gave, it's the implication of who was involved that causes McCann supporters to dismiss them and libel Grime at every turn. 

Unfortunately the equally valid indications of abduction (ie sigitings of men carrying children away from the area of the apartment) were not thoroughly investigated by the PJ under Amaral. Their total failure to rule out the Tanner sighting when the means to do so within hours of her making her statement is proof of that as is the fact that the PJ didn't even bother to check the timing of the Smith sighting by obtaining the till receipts till five whole months after the disappearance when Amaral had been removed from the case.

Why is it an equally valid indication? After all the so called abductor, dismissed by SY, was the one who the Tapas mob built their statements around.

He turned out to be someone walking his child home who took 6 years to come forward. You cannot say men walking with children is an indication of an abduction. Tannerman is ample proof of that.

What's more interesting is that it actually further calls into question the statements. How had the door moved by Gerry's check, was replaced back to its position then looked to have moved again by Oldfield's check if the abduction didn't happen until around 50 minnutes after Gerry's check and 25 minutes after Oldfield's?

That is why the focus is now rightly on abduction.

Well we will see won't we, because if the parents were suspected i have no doubt that both SY and the PJ would not be reopening the case in PT shouting to the world the parents are involved.

Citing abduction is the only way the case can ever be reopened, irrespective of the evidence to hand, short of a confession.

To think otherwise displays naivety of epic proportions. 

Offline sadie

Paulo Rebelo reviewed thoroughly the Amaral investigation, he's now deputy national director of the PJ.
So?  Whats that to do with the discussion?