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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #150 on: October 24, 2013, 07:09:08 PM »
Portugal orders re-opening of Madeleine case

by Brendan de Beer, in News · 24-10-2013 07:46:00 · 2 Comments

Interest in the case of Madeleine McCann, missing since 3 May 2007, has gained renewed impetus following news on Thursday that the Portuguese Attorney-General’s office had ordered the re-opening of the case it shelved in July 2008 due to lack of evidence.

Portuguese authorities have ordered the re-opening of the case into disappearance of Madeleine McCann. It has also emerged that police in Portugal have excluded the possibility of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, of having had any involvement in their daughter's disappearance.
 
A statement sent to The Portugal News explained: “The Public Prosecutor’s Office has determined the re-opening of the inquiry relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann following a proposal by the Polícia Judiciária and due to the presentation of new elements which justify the continuation of the investigation.”
 
While a case review has been underway in Portugal since January 2012, led by leading missing persons detective Helena Monteiro and her team in Oporto, official lines of inquiry were closed in the summer of 2008 by the Attorney-General’s office. At the time, the office said that the case would only be re-opened “should new evidence emerge.”
 
Reports this had suggested that the PJ Police, perhaps as a result of headway made following last week’s Crimewatch programme on the BBC, felt they now had enough new evidence to initiate an official line of inquiry that could include the questioning of persons of interest and possible suspects.

It is believed the PJ team in Oporto uncovered shortcomings in the initial investigation conducted by their counterparts in the Algarve and were now actively pursuing the theory that Madeleine McCann was abducted from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
 
Helena Monteiro and her four-man team of detectives, who were handed the case due to their expertise and neutrality, having never worked on it before, are also reported to be keen on speaking to a number of people who were never questioned during the first investigation led by inspectors in the Algarve.
 
At the time, sources close to the case in Portugal told The Portugal News that they support the Portuguese review in that they hope it will conclude “an investigation which was ended while still in its infancy.”
 
Any new leads into Madeleine’s disappearance can only be considered by Portuguese police detectives once the case is active once again, which might explain the call by the PJ to have the case re-opened.
 
While Oporto detectives have been working on a review of existing evidence, six detectives from the PJ’s branch in Faro have been assisting their colleagues from Scotland Yard in the ambit of an international coopperation request based on the issuing of rogatory letters.
 
PJ police in Lisbon stressed in comments to The Portugal News that at this stage of the review, the PJ branches in Oporto and Faro are “working independently.”

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portugal-orders-re-opening-of-madeleine-case/29711

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At last Portugal something positive for Madeleine and her family.
 
(Then we have Goncalo Amaral:- Well what have you to say for yourself-------OH DEAR - OH DEAR - OH DEAR)!
by Graham Perry from UK on 24-10-2013 02:58:00

Mr Amaral can write another book
titled `The Truth Of My Mistakes`
by Troy from UK on 24-10-2013 01:43:00

Reading this there are a couple of things I find odd

"It has also emerged that police in Portugal have excluded the possibility of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, of having had any involvement in their daughter's disappearance."

Firstly there doesn't appear to be specification from where exactly this bit 'emerged'

And secondly there seems to be a word missing 'abduction'.
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icabodcrane

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Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #151 on: October 24, 2013, 07:17:56 PM »
From what I can gather, reading other forums,   it is the McCanns lawyer,  Rogerio Alves,   who declared that they are  'excluded' 

He aslo confirmed that the McCanns will ask to be  'assistants' in the process

...  what does that mean ?

Offline Jazzy

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #152 on: October 24, 2013, 07:18:24 PM »
I think the point is, the news is the case is being re opened, the Mccanns were of no interest to the Met inquiry and are of no interest to the PJ.  The rest is semantics and "who said?". It's only a glimmer of hope, but it's there, why now, when it should have been there 6 years ago is anyone's guess.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #153 on: October 24, 2013, 07:51:06 PM »
They are working on three lines of inquiry so that could change in time now the investigation has been reopened.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2013, 07:53:22 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

icabodcrane

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Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #154 on: October 24, 2013, 07:52:43 PM »
From what I can gather, reading other forums,   it is the McCanns lawyer,  Rogerio Alves,   who declared that they are  'excluded' 

He aslo confirmed that the McCanns will ask to be  'assistants' in the process

...  what does that mean ?

Perhaps our Portuguese members will know

Does  being an  'assistant in the process'  carry  official status,  or does it just mean that they want to be  kept informed of developments  ? 

Offline Jazzy

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #155 on: October 24, 2013, 07:56:06 PM »
That'll be interesting to know. Will the straws to clutch at ?e pulled away? What then? Gut instinct? The files?  "I just know they DID IT"?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #156 on: October 24, 2013, 07:59:35 PM »
From what I can gather, reading other forums,   it is the McCanns lawyer,  Rogerio Alves,   who declared that they are  'excluded' 

He aslo confirmed that the McCanns will ask to be  'assistants' in the process

...  what does that mean ?
I heard Rogerio Alves, one of their Portugueses lawyers, say he was contemplating asking for them to be assistants in the process. It requires to have a lawyer who will accompany the process for or with you. The main interest is to have access to the data..
This is why, in August 2007, they required that statute when they became aware, through an informal interview that Mrs McCann mentions in "Madeleine", that they were considered like persons of interest. The request was even accepted by the MP, a couple of days before they were made arguidos. The two statutes aren't officially exclusive of each other, but technically are (the rights are about the same), so, although their lawyer tried to argue, the request was declared obsolete.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #157 on: October 24, 2013, 08:03:50 PM »

Didn't Amaral offer to be an Assistant at one point after he was sacked.  I am pretty sure he did.  But they must have turned him down.

He won't like it if The McCanns are made Assistants.

Offline Kazcutt

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #158 on: October 24, 2013, 08:04:31 PM »
That'll be interesting to know. Will the straws to clutch at ?e pulled away? What then? Gut instinct? The files?  "I just know they DID IT"?

Nope sorry mate but you dont !!!!! Fact

AnneGuedes

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Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #159 on: October 24, 2013, 08:07:20 PM »
Perhaps our Portuguese members will know

Does  being an  'assistant in the process'  carry  official status,  or does it just mean that they want to be  kept informed of developments  ?
They do have more or less the same rights an arguido has, for example request, justifying it, some diligence here and there, a deeper investigation on determined points, etc.
This modality requires a lawyer and lawyers are expensive..
Curiously they never used these rights once they were made arguidos. I always wondered why, as they many times complained not to know what was going on.

Offline Victoria

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #160 on: October 24, 2013, 08:10:57 PM »
They do have more or less the same rights an arguido has, for example request, justifying it, some diligence here and there, a deeper investigation on determined points, etc.
This modality requires a lawyer and lawyers are expensive..
Curiously they never used these rights once they were made arguidos. I always wondered why, as they many times complained not to know what was going on.

How do you know they never used them?

Offline gilet

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #161 on: October 24, 2013, 08:11:37 PM »
pedantic libel

Explaining that hearsay is not evidence is neither pedantic, nor libel.

Offline gilet

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #162 on: October 24, 2013, 08:14:51 PM »
It's called evidence Gilet!!  Looks like some Irish folks are going to be busy with interviews again and we all know where that leads!!   @)(++(*

Yes it leads to the Police doing proper investigations, then ruling out people who are no longer of interest.

Both SY and the PJ have done that and both have within the last two weeks now ruled out the McCanns.

Use smilies as much as you like, they will not disguise the facts.

Redblossom

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Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #163 on: October 24, 2013, 08:15:25 PM »
Explaining that hearsay is not evidence is neither pedantic, nor libel.

Yes it is,  for all intents and purposes......you are not in a court of law where Mrs Smith is not going to be called.....,Mr Smith would know what his wife said to him when they were discussing the issue....and he made a statement regarding the issue to police.....not tittle tattle to any tom dick or harry.....,to  question his statement is to cast aspersions on him....as you did when you suggested Mary Smith never made any statement....two errors....next...oh never mind dont reply to me on such a small issue.....Im sure you have a long  list to go through lol
« Last Edit: October 24, 2013, 08:17:15 PM by Redblossom »

Offline gilet

Re: Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.
« Reply #164 on: October 24, 2013, 08:16:58 PM »
Disinformations : No, No, "the" determines which time ?

Not disinformation at all. Every fact in my post is absolutely correct. And you posting no, no, no will not change that.

By the way the plural is "disinformation".