Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.

[gilet]

Doncha just lurve the smell of desperation.

There are no real answers.

PT team are experts in child "abduction".
PT team have found enough substantial evidence pointing to abduction to have the case re-opened.
PT team have discussed the case in person with the McCanns in Portugal last week and  who are now back in the UK.
AG has accepted that evidence as substantial and re-opened the case.
PJ and SY are working on two separate threads but in tandem.
SY have declared that they do not consider the McCanns to be suspects or persons of interest in their investigation.
PJ have declared that they do not consider the McCanns to be suspects or persons of interest in their inquiry.
The McCanns are not arguidos, something the [ censored word] have been relying on.

Really not a lot of comfort for those who still stick to their conspiracy ideas and questions about the McCanns in the face of the reality of the situation is there? I've even seen a post here a few minutes ago suggesting that the PJ are really just part of that massive conspiracy and are just going through some motions or other.

[gilet]

Reading this there are a couple of things I find odd

"It has also emerged that police in Portugal have excluded the possibility of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, of having had any involvement in their daughter's disappearance."

Firstly there doesn't appear to be specification from where exactly this bit 'emerged'

And secondly there seems to be a word missing 'abduction'.

Yes, of course.

Two words come to mind, "straws" and "clutching".

And I feel I should add the one £leanor introduced, "desperate".

[gilet]

Yes it is,  for all intents and purposes......you are not in a court of law where Mrs Smith is not going to be called.....,Mr Smith would know what his wife said to him when they were discussing the issue....and he made a statement regarding the issue to police.....not tittle tattle to any tom dick or harry.....,to  question his statement is to cast aspersions on him....as you did when you suggested Mary Smith never made any statement....two errors....next...oh never mind dont reply to me on such a small issue.....Im sure you have a long  list to go through lol

No, it isn't. No matter how you spin it. Hearsay isn't evidence. Even someone who only watches TV tec shows for their knowledge might be expected to know that.

There is still no evidence that Mary Smith ever made a statement.

One officer suggests it may have happened. Nothing more.

Get over it as they say.

[gilet]

Well quite though, if the leads are about  line of inquiry is a foreign paedophile gang, as reported in the news, they wont be suspects  in this instant will they? And no no interim PJ (NOT Amaral) report has been thrown to the wolves, Id keep that knee jerk under control if I were you....

Stating the facts as presented on TV and more directly by quotation from individuals concerned is not as you choose to term it "a knee jerk" reaction. It is, in fact, looking at the reality.

[Redblossom]

No, it isn't. No matter how you spin it. Hearsay isn't evidence. Even someone who only watches TV tec shows for their knowledge might be expected to know that.

There is still no evidence that Mary Smith ever made a statement.

One officer suggests it may have happened. Nothing more.

Get over it as they say.

Oh so a police officer says she made a statement but thats not good enough for you? like who are you? And where did the officer say she MAY have made a statement?? What crap is this?
 

he must be dodgy/lying/mistaken too.....another one to add to your desperate little list

Get over it as they say

[BigFatBlonde]

Good news for Madeleine and let us hope that it finally brings some closure to this case. I have to say that whilst neutral I always felt that something wasn't quite right with the parents. I hope that these developments end up proving me wrong.

On a side note, as the investigation appears to be looking at a pedophile group based in the Algarve, does anyone know of any cases where such a group has been exposed? I have read a lot about pedophile 'rings' where pornography and (less often) children are shared but can't recall of any where children have been abducted.

It's one of those things where I'm sure I SHOULD know of such a group - but can't for the life of me remember such a case. All the abductions I have read about seem to be of older females and have been for trafficking (i.e. work in the sex trade or used as cheap labour).

N

[Haskins]

This is encouraging news but it is just the start of a new chapter. Obviously there are a lot of disagreements on this forum but I think  that all of us, whatever our viewpoint, would be happy to be proven wrong in our theories if, in return, we could see Madeleine found safe and well.

[AnneGuedes]

AFAIK, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that if the McCanns had asked for the case not be shelved in 2008, it would have gone to the "fase de instrução" which is another phase of the investigation and they could have asked to be "assistentes" at that time. I believe that the McCanns want to be "assistentes" so that can have access to the investigation files. They are afraid much more than anyone thinks.

Either arguidos or assistentes no processo in the fase de instrução, they would have had an active part, but for some reason Rogerio Alves rejected it (perhaps for the same reason that made Pinto de Abreu advise his clients not to answer the PJ questions).
I understand they wish to snoop inside of the investigation. If it's related to paedophilia, will it be considered appropriate ?

[Redblossom]

Stating the facts as presented on TV and more directly by quotation from individuals concerned is not as you choose to term it "a knee jerk" reaction. It is, in fact, looking at the reality.

well then you will quote whoever said amarals theory, sic, the PJ theory, has been thrown to the wolves......wont you...its ok not holding breath dont worry

[icabodcrane]

And Amaral and his thesis has now been thrown to the wolves by the PJ from Oporto who have found sufficient sustainable evidence for the case to be re-opened and have gone on record as stating that evidence is not concerning the McCanns who are not suspects, arguidos or persons of interest but potential abductors.

Where is  this  'on the record'  quote from the PJ   ? 

As far as I  can see the only quotes regarding  the McCanns exclusion from the re-opened investigation comes directly from their lawyer,  Rogerio Alves 

I do not think  the PJ  have said anything,  either on,  or off,  the record  ...  have they  ?

[pathfinder73]

I would love to see Madeleine found alive but I strongly believe if they identify Smithman they can crack the case.

[AnneGuedes]

Good news for Madeleine and let us hope that it finally brings some closure to this case. I have to say that whilst neutral I always felt that something wasn't quite right with the parents. I hope that these developments end up proving me wrong.

On a side note, as the investigation appears to be looking at a pedophile group based in the Algarve, does anyone know of any cases where such a group has been exposed? I have read a lot about pedophile 'rings' where pornography and (less often) children are shared but can't recall of any where children have been abducted.

It's one of those things where I'm sure I SHOULD know of such a group - but can't for the life of me remember such a case. All the abductions I have read about seem to be of older females and have been for trafficking (i.e. work in the sex trade or used as cheap labour).

N

Just like you I can't recall a paedophile ring abducting a child. Paedophiles are paedophiles, not abductors, it would be too much I suppose.
I also have asked if someone knew of a little child abducted from bed in Europe, but no reply.
I'm still sceptic and, as the Portuguese on the very first day, think that the story was badly told.

[AnneGuedes]

I would love to see Madeleine found alive but I strongly believe if they identify Smithman they can crack the case.

No doubt about that.

[imustpointout]

I think whoever made the decision in Portugal deserves a massive expression of thanks for re-opening the investigation.

[AnneGuedes]

Where is  this  'on the record'  quote from the PJ   ? 

As far as I  can see the only quotes regarding  the McCanns exclusion from the re-opened investigation comes directly from their lawyer,  Rogerio Alves 

I do not think  the PJ  have said anything,  either on,  or off,  the record  ...  have they  ?

You're right, Icabodcrane, it's just usual disinformation.