Madeleine McCann case to be re-opened in Portugal as an abduction scenario.

[Wonderfulspam]

Have you heard the "report from RTP", Ferryman ? Can you provide a link to such a claim by the MP?
Expresso, who always was defending the McCanns, doesn't say so.
http://expresso.sapo.pt/ministerio-publico-reabre-caso-maddie=f837383?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=2013-10-25

It would appear that some 'spin' has flown south for the winter.

[icabodcrane]

Gilet referred to page 122 at the bottom of which starts the statement of Mr Batista (Mr Batista refers to a group of 8/9, seeming to acknowledge the fact that on Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday one of them was missing).
Gilet's trick is amazing deduction after extracting an element from a whole sentence. Mr Batista saying the "second man" came back after 30 minutes, shortly before all left the table except for one and could be the father of the child, becomes Mr McCann was at the table at 10 pm.

Well then that is the 'mistake'  in Gilet's post

No-one,  apart from his mates,  say that Gerry was definately at the tapas bar  when the Smiths made their sighting   

[ferryman]

Thank you

That thread made a thorough  investigation of the claim that independent witnesses said they saw Gerry at the tapas bar at   10pm ....  it was found that none did

However,  Gilet may have  found the name  and witness statement of a staff member we missed,  who  did say,  with certainty,  that he saw Gerry at precisely 10pm

That is why I ask,  again  ...  what is the witnesse 's name  ?

A good start would be to educate yourself on what an independent witness is

And can you point to where, in the files, there is any reference to Gerry, as Madeleine's father, being absent from the restaurant, and what steps were taken to find him, including where he was when found and who found him?

No

Course not.

That'll be, either because they are part of the 'hidden' files that will blow the case apart and prove the McCanns' culpability, or because Gerry was in the restaurant at the time of Kate's alert ...

[AnneGuedes]

A good start would be to educate yourself on what an independent witness is

And can you point to where, in the files, there is any reference to Gerry, as Madeleine's father, being absent from the restaurant, and what steps were taken to find him, including where he was when found and who found him?

No

Course not.

That'll be, either because they are part of the 'hidden' files that will blow the case apart and prove the McCanns' culpability, or because Gerry was in the restaurant at the time of Kate's alert ...

Better leave it to Gilet to mislead posters truncating witnesses' statements.

[AnneGuedes]

Well then that is the 'mistake'  in Gilet's post

No-one,  apart from his mates,  say that Gerry was definately at the tapas bar when the Smiths made their sighting

When was that for sure ?

[Eleanor]

Better leave it to Gilet to mislead posters truncating witnesses' statements.

Pot.  Kettle.  Black?

[Montclair]

It would appear that some 'spin' has flown south for the winter.

The only source for the claim that the McCanns are no longer suspects is their lawyer, Rogério Alves. He just states that the new "indícios" (indications) found do not point towards the McCanns. That is all and now everyone has translated this twisted legalese as "the McCanns are no longer considered suspects." RA is known, here in Portugal, for loving the limelight and the sound of his own voice.

Nor the MP nor the PJ have made any statements regarding the status of the McCanns in the investigation and I doubt very much that they will.

[icabodcrane]

http://www.theportugalnews.com/

I notice that,  more than once, you  have brought this link up, without commenting on it

So let's talk about it

There is only one direct quote from the police :

The Public Prosecutor's Office has determined the re-opening of the enquiry  relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann following a proposal by the Policia Judiciaria and due to the presentation of new elements which justify the continuation of the investigation

That's it  ...  that's all the police have said

The rest of the article  quotes un-named sources and consists of  'It is believed'  type assumptions

For instance,  the 'emerged'  claim that police in Portugal have excluded the possibility of Madeleine's parents having had any involvement in their daughter's disappearance'  came not from the police themselves ...  but from the  McCann's own  lawyer,  Rogerio Alves

[AnneGuedes]

The only source for the claim that the McCanns are no longer suspects is their lawyer, Rogério Alves. He just states that the new "indícios" (indications) found do not point towards the McCanns. That is all and now everyone has translated this twisted legalese as "the McCanns are no longer considered suspects." RA is known, here in Portugal, for loving the limelight and the sound of his own voice.

Nor the MP nor the PJ have made any statements regarding the status of the McCanns in the investigation and I doubt very much that they will.

That sums up very well the situation, thank you Montclair !

[imustpointout]

Prosecutors announced the reopening of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, after the Judicial Police have filed new elements.

The McCanns is not named as suspect, the new line of investigation that prosecutors decided to open the disappearance of Maddie, found a second Renaissance . Judicial Police says have sufficient evidence to reopen the case, which has now happened for determining Attorney General's Office. A new line of research proposed by the Judicial prosecutors did not include the couple McCann as a suspect. This thesis, defended at times by the Judiciary seems to be abandoned in the light of new evidence collected by the team that has been to re-examine this case since March 2011. Such research team, based in Port Judiciary, recently presented new evidence, which impose further research, so that has met the requirements of the Criminal Code, so that the investigation be reopened. A Judicial communicated these facts to the Attorney General's Office, which decided to continue the process, ordering the reopening of the investigation in District of Portimão. Fountain authorized officer ensures the Renaissance that this development in Portugal, has nothing to do with the efforts of British justice, as it is a mere coincidence and where they can not even look for other similarities, eg the lines of research . Madeleine McCann disappeared a few days before to four years, May 3, 2007, the room where she was sleeping with her ​​two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist resort in Praia da Luz The parents dined with friends in a nearby restaurant.

http://rr.sapo.pt/informacao_detalhe.aspx?fid=26&did=126889

[Angelo222]

Hello Aegean and welcome on this forum !
You're right, the MP hasn't claimed that the PJ will investigate the abduction of Madeleine McCann as if it was a fact.
They said that new elements challenged the conclusions of the AG report and had to be inquired. The secret aspect of the investigation has been underlined.

And rightly so too!!  SY leaked like a sieve in 2007 and still do today.  If I were the PJ I would only divulge that which is only absolutely necessary.

[Angelo222]

The only source for the claim that the McCanns are no longer suspects is their lawyer, Rogério Alves. He just states that the new "indícios" (indications) found do not point towards the McCanns. That is all and now everyone has translated this twisted legalese as "the McCanns are no longer considered suspects." RA is known, here in Portugal, for loving the limelight and the sound of his own voice.

Nor the MP nor the PJ have made any statements regarding the status of the McCanns in the investigation and I doubt very much that they will.

The McCanns and their followers are desperate to lose the 'suspect' label and that is why Mitchell is putting out these Press Releases. 

Clearly no evidence exists to clear the McCanns of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance with the libel trial testimony of Moita Flores being somewhat damning towards them when he insisted under oath that it was impossible for an abductor to take Madeleine out the bedroom window.  The Press haven't picked up on that one??

[Eleanor]

The McCanns and their followers are desperate to lose the 'suspect' label and that is why Mitchell is putting out these Press Releases. 

Clearly no evidence exists to clear the McCanns of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance with the libel trial testimony of Moita Flores being somewhat damning towards them when he insisted under oath that it was impossible for an abductor to take Madeleine out the bedroom window.  The Press haven't picked up on that one??

Do you think that The Judge doesn't know about the door?

[Mr Gray]

The McCanns and their followers are desperate to lose the 'suspect' label and that is why Mitchell is putting out these Press Releases. 

Clearly no evidence exists to clear the McCanns of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance with the libel trial testimony of Moita Flores being somewhat damning towards them when he insisted under oath that it was impossible for an abductor to take Madeleine out the bedroom window.  The Press haven't picked up on that one??

it seems like you haven't understood it. He didn't say it was impossible to take maddie  out of the front door did he

[AnneGuedes]

And rightly so too!!  SY leaked like a sieve in 2007 and still do today.  If I were the PJ I would only divulge that which is only absolutely necessary.

The sober words of the MP actually point to this.
Of course it's a bit short for the press, so they "ornament".