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Offline gilet

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #75 on: October 25, 2013, 03:17:32 AM »
The answer to the question "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand?" should surely be that it depends on the final conclusions of the new investigation.

In the end that is true, but in the meantime he is involved in the libel trial. I wonder if the OP was intrigued to know if the Portuguese statements regarding new lines of enquiry might impact on his position in that trial?

Aegean

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Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #76 on: October 25, 2013, 03:38:54 AM »
Surely, the question of whether Amaral is guilty of libel or not will also only be apparent after the results of the new investigation are released (if they are decisive).

Offline gilet

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #77 on: October 25, 2013, 04:37:27 AM »
Surely, the question of whether Amaral is guilty of libel or not will also only be apparent after the results of the new investigation are released (if they are decisive).

The trial is already underway and has no direct connection to the investigations now being undertaken by either the PJ or SY. It relates to the content of the book and video as they were published in 2008, not the current investigations.

Cariad

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Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #78 on: October 25, 2013, 10:04:28 AM »
The trial is already underway and has no direct connection to the investigations now being undertaken by either the PJ or SY. It relates to the content of the book and video as they were published in 2008, not the current investigations.

Part of the claim for damages was that Dr Amaral had negativity affected the search for Madeleine. That's definitely out the window now. I wonder if the McCanns can retract that part  now?

Offline Victoria

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #79 on: October 25, 2013, 10:08:43 AM »
Part of the claim for damages was that Dr Amaral had negativity affected the search for Madeleine. That's definitely out the window now. I wonder if the McCanns can retract that part  now?

I think you'll find the claim relates to pain and suffering caused.

Offline Benice

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #80 on: October 25, 2013, 10:12:02 AM »
I think you'll find the claim relates to pain and suffering caused.

And the libellous nature of his book.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Albertini

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #81 on: October 25, 2013, 10:18:02 AM »
Perhaps this thread should be renamed the "Hand Up Who Hates Amaral" so that all the McCann supporters can pile in to vent their spleen.

This rabid obsession with the man borders on the psychotic.

It's painful to see people work themselves up into such a frenzy over a man they have never met, never spoken with or nor discussed the case or book with in person. 

And supporters of the family call those who do not believe the McCann's "[ censored word ]s". Jeez, I'm getting the words pot, kettle, black.

Aegean

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Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #82 on: October 25, 2013, 10:35:54 AM »
Eleanor, I'm not sure that's correct. Amaral was taken off the case a long time ago. The Portuguese police have been carrying out a review. Scotland Yard has also been doing its review for over 2 years. The best they can come up with is 5-year-old efits and dismissing the "evidence" of one of the Tapas Seven.

If you want to make such claims you actually have to back them up with real arguments as to exactly how, in your view, Amaral has had such a pervasive effect on the case.

Offline Benice

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #83 on: October 25, 2013, 10:48:38 AM »
Perhaps this thread should be renamed the "Hand Up Who Hates Amaral" so that all the McCann supporters can pile in to vent their spleen.

This rabid obsession with the man borders on the psychotic.

It's painful to see people work themselves up into such a frenzy over a man they have never met, never spoken with or nor discussed the case or book with in person. 

And supporters of the family call those who do not believe the McCann's "[ censored word ]s". Jeez, I'm getting the words pot, kettle, black.

After reading your 'spleen venting' post so am I - as you are hardly exuding love and goodwill yourself to the supporters of  the family are you?          In fact you seem to be doing exactly the same thing to them as you are accusing them of doing.    Pot kettle and black indeed.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2013, 10:53:46 AM »
The trial is already underway and has no direct connection to the investigations now being undertaken by either the PJ or SY. It relates to the content of the book and video as they were published in 2008, not the current investigations.

Is the way I see it also
The content of the book vs the files, and as the judge has been told by witnesses already there are no major differences or "Exlcusive Revelations' and Amarals police work isn't on trial here.
Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.
The McCanns have to quantify the damage his book had on the search for her, no McCann witness has provided this so far.
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Offline Victoria

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2013, 10:55:28 AM »
Is the way I see it also
The content of the book vs the files, and as the judge has been told by witnesses already there are no major differences or "Exlcusive Revelations' and Amarals police work isn't on trial here.
Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.
The McCanns have to quantify the damage his book had on the search for her, no McCann witness has provided this so far.

They don't have to quantify the damage the book did to the search. Look at the writ.

Offline Albertini

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #86 on: October 25, 2013, 10:56:14 AM »
After reading your 'spleen venting' post so am I - as you are hardly exuding love and goodwill yourself to the supporters of  the family are you?          In fact you seem to be doing exactly the same thing to them as you are accusing them of doing.    Pot kettle and black indeed.

I am not exuding hate and bad will towards anyone.

I'm simply stating my exasperation at the obsession family supporters have over Amaral and highlighting their hypocrisy around the word "[ censored word ]".

Are you suggesting to point this out in this manner means one is venting ones spleen?

What an odd position to adopt.

AnneGuedes

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Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #87 on: October 25, 2013, 01:11:24 PM »
And the libellous nature of his book.
Were it libellous the ban request would have been maintained. This is no chef of accusation.

AnneGuedes

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Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #88 on: October 25, 2013, 01:23:43 PM »

Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.

Logically. The MP had offered the opportunity to prove their abduction claim was effectively the unique solution. Their refusal has nothing to do with Mr Amaral as it was under the coordination of Mr Rebelo.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: "If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"
« Reply #89 on: October 25, 2013, 01:31:53 PM »
Is the way I see it also
The content of the book vs the files, and as the judge has been told by witnesses already there are no major differences or "Exlcusive Revelations' and Amarals police work isn't on trial here.
Even if Madeleine were proven now to have been abducted, it would not affect the trial.
The McCanns have to quantify the damage his book had on the search for her, no McCann witness has provided this so far.

You need to check amarals witness statements..from what Ive seen none of them have read the book so how can they confirm anything
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