The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??

[Angelo222]

I have been following the libel trial with interest and the common question which arises time after time is did the book or the documentary damage the search for Madeleine?   The answer from the investigating officers comes back each and every time as an overwhelming "no".

So who did hinder, obstruct, curtail, circumvent or damage the search for Madeleine.  I am very sure that if Madeleine is still alive she herself will want to know this some day.

[Cariad]

I have been following the libel trial with interest and the common question which arises time after time is did the book or the documentary damage the search for Madeleine?   The answer from the investigating officers comes back each and every time as an overwhelming "no".

So who did hinder, obstruct, curtail, circumvent or damage the search for Madeleine.  I am very sure that if Madeleine is still alive she herself will want to know this some day.

The sun? Not the news paper, the celestial body. Didn't Kate say it was too dark?

[Angelo222]

My own view is that the tapas 9 effectively strangled the investigation which in turn meant Madeleine was for all intents and purposes abandoned.

The tapas group refused to cooperate with the PJ when asked to return to take part in proper reconstruction.  This is spelt out in the AG archiving report.

The McCanns themselves got out of Portugal pdq when they realised the spotlight was on them.  Innocent people don't run as Kate pointed out in her novel... they did run all the same!!

They damaged the search for Madeleine by their own actions and now they want to blame Amaral.  I have news for them... they are gonna lose just as they lost the injunction against his book!

[Wonderfulspam]

My own view is that the tapas 9 effectively strangled the investigation which in turn meant Madeleine was for all intents and purposes abandoned.

The tapas group refused to cooperate with the PJ when asked to return to take part in proper reconstruction.  This is spelt out in the AG archiving report.

The McCanns themselves got out of Portugal pdq when they realised the spotlight was on them.  Innocent people don't run as Kate pointed out in her novel... they did run all the same!!

Agreed. 

[AnneGuedes]

I have been following the libel trial with interest and the common question which arises time after time is did the book or the documentary damage the search for Madeleine?   The answer from the investigating officers comes back each and every time as an overwhelming "no".

So who did hinder, obstruct, curtail, circumvent or damage the search for Madeleine.  I am very sure that if Madeleine is still alive she herself will want to know this some day.

This libel trial, among other interesting ones, raises the search issue. Before examining what could have "hindered, obstructed, curtailed, circumented or damaged" the search, to use your words, Angelo, wouldn't it be useful to reflect upon the "search for" concept. What does it stand for exactly ? Do, for instance, the McCanns' supporters have executed some action they can depict as "search for Madeleine" ? It's no excuse to live in the UK, because Madeleine, from the start, could be anywhere. So what are our mental representations of the search for Madeleine ?
I live in Lisbon and when I'm in the street, I like to look at kids, I daily cross little blond girls, it never passed my mind they could be Madeleine. Why ? Because nothing suggests they're not fine. If something suggested it, whether brown or blond hair, whether blue or dark eyes, whether 3 or 5 or 7, whether cute or not,  I wouldn't pass my way without trying to know more.
No child cries in the public space in Portugal without having immediately dozen of people, not only ladies, around.

[Wonderfulspam]

This libel trial, among other interesting ones, raises the search issue. Before examining what could have "hindered, obstructed, curtailed, circumented or damaged" the search, to use your words, Angelo, wouldn't it be useful to reflect upon the "search for" concept. What does it stand for exactly ? Do, for instance, the McCanns' supporters have executed some action they can depict as "search for Madeleine" ? It's no excuse to live in the UK, because Madeleine, from the start, could be anywhere. So are our mental representations of the search for Madeleine ?
I live in Lisbon and when I'm in the street, I like to look at kids, I daily cross little blond girls, it never passed my mind they could be Madeleine. Why ? Because nothing suggests they're not fine. If something suggested it, whether brown or blond hair, whether blue or dark eyes, whether 3 or 5 or 7, whether cute or not,  I wouldn't pass my way without trying to know more.
No child cries in the public space in Portugal without having immediately dozen of people, not only ladies, around.

 "I like to look at kids"

Careful Anne.

[Wonderfulspam]

I have been following the libel trial with interest and the common question which arises time after time is did the book or the documentary damage the search for Madeleine?   The answer from the investigating officers comes back each and every time as an overwhelming "no".

So who did hinder, obstruct, curtail, circumvent or damage the search for Madeleine.  I am very sure that if Madeleine is still alive she herself will want to know this some day.

So who did hinder, obstruct, curtail, circumvent or damage the search for Madeleine.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2765.0
SO – What reason did you have to comment on this case?
MF says that first it is his job.  He does it professionally because he has experience of being a police inspector and has connections with the police. In this particular case he says that very early he claimed that the police were making errors.

SO – Why?
MF Because they should have considered all the possible hypotheses instead of restricting the investigation to the prefabricated idea of abduction.

McCann supporters will no doubt delight at "police were making errors"

Problem is those errors appear to be not investigating the parents & trusting them when they claimed abduction.

[John]

Anne is right in what she asks.  What constitutes "The Search".

I must say I am somewhat surprised that the honourable Lady Judge has not in the first instance saw fit to determine an answer to this question.

Does sitting in a TV studio being interviewed about your life constitute searching?

Does taking part in public sports events constitute searching?

Does raising civil actions against critics constitute searching?

Does meeting the Pope constitute searching?

Does working as a cardiac specialist constitute searching?

If any of the above is answered in an affirmative, please tell me how Dr Amaral has sabotaged it by writing a book?

[Angelo222]

That's interesting because my son who isn't usually interested in these things asked me last night if the McCanns did any searching for Madeleine??  I must admit I had to think about it but then again have they??

If you compare their efforts to that of Ben Needhams family then the answer must be an emphatic no.  So why are the McCanns getting so much public money spent on them when they have a huge fund yet the Needhams get next to nothing and have very little anyway?  There surely is something very wrong here.

[John]

That's interesting because my son who isn't usually interested in these things asked me last night if the McCanns did any searching for Madeleine??  I must admit I had to think about it but then again have they??

If you compare their efforts to that of Ben Needhams family then the answer must be an emphatic no.  So why are the McCanns getting so much public money spent on them when they have a huge fund yet the Needhams get next to nothing and have very little anyway?  There surely is something very wrong here.

I can see the basis of a new thread here Angelo.

[AnneGuedes]

"I like to look at kids"

Careful Anne.

I"m not a man and to-day kids will built a world I shall not be part of, so I speculate about what that world will look like.
Suddenly it occurs to me I never heard of paedophile women, but why not ? What I heard of is a woman sexually abusing her daughter.

[Lyall]

That's interesting because my son who isn't usually interested in these things asked me last night if the McCanns did any searching for Madeleine??  I must admit I had to think about it but then again have they??

If you compare their efforts to that of Ben Needhams family then the answer must be an emphatic no.  So why are the McCanns getting so much public money spent on them when they have a huge fund yet the Needhams get next to nothing and have very little anyway?  There surely is something very wrong here.

They have a huge lobby supporting them... and the lawyers. Unfortunately other families don't.

[Cariad]

I"m not a man and to-day kids will built a world I shall not be part of, so I speculate about what that world will look like.
Suddenly it occurs to me I never heard of paedophile women, but why not ? What I heard of is a woman sexually abusing her daughter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Plymouth_child_abuse_case

Vanessa George. I think evil is a suitable word to describe her! She abused the children (babies and toddlers) in her care!

I don't know why, but it always feels worse if it's a woman commiting a crime like that.

[icabodcrane]

What damaged the search  ? 

Well I would say one thing that almost certainly  damaged the search was the media circus the McCann people invited to PDL  before the McCanns had even set foot inside Portimao police station

To this day I cannot understand why they contacted the British press/media  that very night

[Wonderfulspam]

I"m not a man and to-day kids will built a world I shall not be part of, so I speculate about what that world will look like.
Suddenly it occurs to me I never heard of paedophile women, but why not ? What I heard of is a woman sexually abusing her daughter.

Mass hysteria over paedophilia around the time of Madeleine's 'abduction' is what made the public buy it.
Operation Ore etc

Ever seen the award winning 'Brass Eye..Paedogeddon'?
It was a satirical look at the way the media went & got hyped up over nonces, and forced it into the public mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcU7FaEEzNU

Folk will fall for 'abduction by paedophiles' because of the media.