The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??

[gilet]

I still cannot find a single example of a couple in the same situation as the McCanns having "searched all night".

It was suggested earlier by a poster here that somehow this might be the norm.

Without a single example of it ever having happened, how can it be normal in any way?

It may well be what people think they should do, what they even think they would do but the reality appears that it is not what is actually ever done.

So the McCanns were acting perfectly normally.


There was also the matter in the OP of those investigating officers "each and every time" stating that the Amaral thesis (book and film) had not damaged the search. So far not a single example of such officers has been given as the forum rules suggest they should be. I am sure they exist, just would like to see them so that I can consider the actual wording.

And what about the nature of the "search". What is it, in the opinion of those who decry what has been done,  that the McCanns should have been doing over the last five years? Digging up private gardens? Bulldozing the beach? Digging up the municipal drainage system?  Please explain what you believe should have been the physical priorities of the McCanns.

[imustpointout]

Asleep?

So the Police were not interviewing him and getting the facts?

[Mr Gray]

Whatever reason you ascribe it to,   we can agree that the reason Gerry was not out  'searching through the night' was because he was asleep

the fact is that you can believe what you want and come to any conclusion you want..and so can any other poster on here...the fact is that what you believe makes absolutely no difference and is of no significance..the case is now open and we may get some real answers

[gilet]

Whatever reason you ascribe it to,   we can agree that the reason Gerry was not out  'searching through the night' was because he was asleep

Yes, a perfectly normal activity. Even soldiers in battle are encouraged to take short breaks for sleep you know. The two hours of sleep which has been  (though I haven't seen you or anyone else provide any definitive evidence) suggested is not abnormal as you seem to think. It is necessary even when under the greatest possible stress.

[imustpointout]

I wonder if the Police actually suggested they get a couple of hours sleep?

[gilet]

Asleep?

So the Police were not interviewing him and getting the facts?

A good point. Why did the POLICE pack up and not bother searching? Could they have also possibly needed to sleep?

And of course there is Mr. Amaral who made a couple of calls after returning home and then promptly went to sleep pondering how lucky he was with his daughter at home. Did he stir himself and coordinate a physical search?

[Mr Gray]

do I need to point out that doctors have years of training and coping  in stressful situations and grabbing  a little rest when they can to enable them to carry on

[gilet]

do I need to point out that doctors have years of training and coping  in stressful situations and grabbing  a little rest when they can to enable them to carry on

Yes. That is true. Better than most they know the need for short breaks for mental and physical recuperation.

[AnneGuedes]

I still can't believe that the McCanns think it is in any way reasonable to spend the night making phone calls/texting/deleting texts/whatever and then only popping out to search once they deem it light enough.  Maybe it's just me, but I'd have been out there tearing up bushes with my bare hands looking for a missing daughter of mine.  Banging on doors, looking around, you know... "searching" I think it's called?

You're not alone here, C.Edwards.
Nobody doubts McCanns were in absolute distress and nobody feels but compassionate whatever happened. It is moving to see Mrs McCann's mute sobbing when her husband makes his first appeal, I can imagine how Mr McCann impressed Mr O'Brien who had never seen a father orphan of his child, and how he disturbed the first GNR officers with his head on the ground and his arms raised in a supplication. Anyone who has lived the horror of a child's death by accident or suicide will know what I mean.
But nothing of that is searching.

[AnneGuedes]

Mr. Amaral who made a couple of calls after returning home and then promptly went to sleep pondering how lucky he was with his daughter at home. Did he stir himself and coordinate a physical search?

Defaming again ! Do you by chance do something else sometimes ?

[DCI]

and when were the first interviews with the police?

First Interviews: 04 May 2007

11h15 Gerry McCann
11h30 Jane Tanner
11h30 Matthew Oldfield
14h20 Kate Healy (McCann)
14h45 David Payne
19h20 Fiona Payne
19h20 Rachael Mampilly (Oldfield)
20h45 Dianne Webster
21h45 Russell O'Brien

[AnneGuedes]

From Kates Book

On my insistence Gerry and Dave went out again to look for some sign of Madeleine.   

There's no statement of Mr McCann confirming this.

[AnneGuedes]

I still can't believe that the McCanns think it is in any way reasonable to spend the night making phone calls/texting/deleting texts/whatever and then only popping out to search once they deem it light enough.  Maybe it's just me, but I'd have been out there tearing up bushes with my bare hands looking for a missing daughter of mine.  Banging on doors, looking around, you know... "searching" I think it's called?

You're not alone here, C.Edwards.
Nobody doubts McCanns were in absolute distress and nobody feels but compassionate whatever happened. It is moving to see Mrs McCann's mute sobbing when her husband makes his first appeal, I can imagine how Mr McCann impressed Mr O'Brien who had never seen a father orphan of his child, and how he disturbed the first GNR officers with his head on the ground and his arms raised in a supplication. Anyone who has lived the horror of a child's death by accident or suicide will know what I mean.
But nothing of that is searching.

[gilet]

There's no statement of Mr McCann confirming this.

Would that be because the PJ forgot to ask him?

[Angelo222]

Two questions.

Firstly, in light of this forum rule, "ensure that any material posted is accompanied by the relevant links" could I ask Angelo to provide links to support his claim in the OP that investigating officers always say 'No.'?

Secondly, with respect to the matter of the McCanns' searching. What other methods of searching is Angelo proposing that the McCanns should have undertaken besides hiring Private Investigators and maintaining a very high profile for their daughter in order that millions of people keep a look out for her? Is there some suggestion that they should have perhaps done as Birch did illegally and break into properties to dig up gardens? Should they have spent the last six years searching bins in the neighbourhood of PDL? Should they have personally learned to drive bulldozers and spent their lives digging over the sand and rocks of PDL beach? Just what are they supposed to have been doing in the eyes of Angelo I wonder?

Read the Reports Gilet its all there.  Every single PJ officer and every journalist said the same thing and that is that neither the book nor the documentary hindered the search.

As far as searching is concerned I refer you to the Needhams and the Fitzpatricks.  Getting off ones ass and doing some real searching appears to be a novelty for the McCanns.