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Offline pegasus

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1425 on: October 19, 2014, 09:24:08 PM »
You have said that "The e-fits were with the McCanns by November 2008".
Therefore is it correct to conclude that someone closely involved in the production of the C4 documentary "Madeleine Was Here" (May 2009) had seen the pair of efits and knew they related to the Smith sighting, but chose to not include the pair of efits nor even give the faintest mention of them in the documentary?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1426 on: October 20, 2014, 11:48:32 AM »
You have said that "The e-fits were with the McCanns by November 2008".
Therefore is it correct to conclude that someone closely involved in the production of the C4 documentary "Madeleine Was Here" (May 2009) had seen the pair of efits and knew they related to the Smith sighting, but chose to not include the pair of efits nor even give the faintest mention of them in the documentary?


Indeed Peggs,  AND... they didn't waste much time in compiling a dossier and handing THAT TO SY! about information important to the case...ermm um  trolls?
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline John

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1427 on: October 21, 2014, 12:17:48 AM »
PJ said it looks like a duck. (after about a week)
PI's said it quacks like a duck.(after about a year)
SY said guess what folks? it was a bleedin' duck. (after about 6 years)

You never cease to amaze Alice!   @)(++(*
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1428 on: October 21, 2014, 12:21:40 AM »
It wasn't a valid story at all.

The e-fits were with the McCanns by November 2008 and with the police (English and Portuguese!) by January 2009.

The police chose the moment of the crimewatch programme to unveil the e-fits publicly, for the obvious reason that an e-fit of a man carrying a child in close proximity to apartment 5a at just about the time Madeleine was abducted could not be released other than in the context of a live and on-going police enquiry.

There is the valid story.

Oh but it is and still is very valid especially now.  E-fits of the main suspect in the case according to DCI Redwood and it is filed away gathering dust in two countries for nigh on 5 years.  That really is a story and the question I keep asking is WHY?

Why was an e-fit of the main suspect withheld from the public for 5 years?
« Last Edit: October 21, 2014, 01:23:02 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1429 on: October 21, 2014, 01:15:57 AM »
They needed the sanction of a fresh enquiry to be released.

Absolute tosh ferryman.  Your kid is supposedly abducted and when you manage to get e-fits of a suspect you hand them to the cops and forget about them?   NEVER unless...

You would only do that if you had already been identified by the same guy who helped to create the e-fits and if the e-fits just so happened to look like you.

Silly me for not working this out sooner.   @)(++(*   No wonder Mr Redwood had a smirk on his face when he introduced them on Crimewatch.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2014, 01:38:39 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline misty

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1430 on: October 21, 2014, 01:28:50 AM »
Absolute tosh ferryman.  Your kid is supposedly abducted and when you manage to get e-fits of a suspect you hand them to the cops and forget about them?   NEVER unless...

You would only do that if you had already been identified by the same guy who helped to create the e-fits and if the e-fits just so happened to look like you.

Silly me for not working this out sooner.   @)(++(*   No wonder Mr Redwood had a smirk on his face when he introduced them on Crimewatch.

Has the delay made any difference to the progress or direction of the investigation?

Offline John

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1431 on: October 21, 2014, 01:38:29 AM »
Has the delay made any difference to the progress or direction of the investigation?

Yep...Smithman has had 5 extra years to make good his escape.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2014, 09:28:04 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline misty

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1432 on: October 21, 2014, 02:02:21 AM »
Yep...Smithman has had 5 extra years to make good his escape.

Would you like to speculate why SY didn't release those e-fits immediately after opening their investigation?

ferryman

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1433 on: October 21, 2014, 09:50:49 AM »
Oh but it is and still is very valid especially now.  E-fits of the main suspect in the case according to DCI Redwood and it is filed away gathering dust in two countries for nigh on 5 years.  That really is a story and the question I keep asking is WHY?

Why was an e-fit of the main suspect withheld from the public for 5 years?

The Portuguese police (the lead force in the investigation!) originally adjudged that the (two!) efits were insufficient to warrant a continued investigation.

End of argument.

At that juncture there was no justification for releasing the e-fits.

Then the Portuguese were persuaded that there was, after all, sufficient reason for a second enquiry and the e-fits were released.

ferryman

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1434 on: October 21, 2014, 09:55:44 AM »
Would you like to speculate why SY didn't release those e-fits immediately after opening their investigation?

Yes.

That is the key ...

Offline pegasus

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1435 on: October 22, 2014, 03:18:34 AM »
The Portuguese police (the lead force in the investigation!) originally adjudged that the (two!) efits were insufficient to warrant a continued investigation.

End of argument.

At that juncture there was no justification for releasing the e-fits.

Then the Portuguese were persuaded that there was, after all, sufficient reason for a second enquiry and the e-fits were released.
Long after Dec 2008, the May 2009 "Madeleine Was Here" documentary included acted footage of the Smith Sighting therefore considered it important. Why were the pair of efits not included in this documentary?

ferryman

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1436 on: October 22, 2014, 12:53:37 PM »
Long after Dec 2008, the May 2009 "Madeleine Was Here" documentary included acted footage of the Smith Sighting therefore considered it important. Why were the pair of efits not included in this documentary?

Because there was no attempt to identify anyone specific.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1437 on: October 22, 2014, 01:58:49 PM »
This is worth a retread considering it is the house magazine.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328

<<<snip>>>

Mr Smith, a former Unilever executive, made a statement along with his wife Mary, daughter Aoife and son Peter soon after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007.

He helped compile e-fits a year later – but the images were not released at the time and were only made public for the first time earlier this week (7th Oct 2013 ish).
He said he has met with Scotland Yard detectives twice over the past 18 months to help them with the new probe. He added: “We‘d all love to see the police get to the bottom of what happened.”

At least two callers who responded to the TV appeal gave the same name for the two e-fits provided by the Smiths.

<<< snip>>>

We have heard nothing of this name since. I wonder why?
Check how The Met interviewed Mr Smith quite early doors in their investigation like March / April (ish) 2012.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1438 on: October 22, 2014, 02:13:00 PM »
This is worth a retread considering it is the house magazine.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328

<<<snip>>>

Mr Smith, a former Unilever executive, made a statement along with his wife Mary, daughter Aoife and son Peter soon after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007.

He helped compile e-fits a year later – but the images were not released at the time and were only made public for the first time earlier this week (7th Oct 2013 ish).
He said he has met with Scotland Yard detectives twice over the past 18 months to help them with the new probe. He added: “We‘d all love to see the police get to the bottom of what happened.”

At least two callers who responded to the TV appeal gave the same name for the two e-fits provided by the Smiths.

<<< snip>>>

We have heard nothing of this name since. I wonder why?
Check how The Met interviewed Mr Smith quite early doors in their investigation like March / April (ish) 2012.

I would imagine it could be because we are in the middle of a live police investigation.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline pegasus

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #1439 on: October 24, 2014, 03:06:29 AM »
Because there was no attempt to identify anyone specific.
But didn't the 2009 documentary show some other efits?
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