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Offline Carana

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #285 on: October 27, 2013, 06:41:53 PM »
Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy.

He claimed the legal threat had prevented him from handing over the report to Scotland Yard’s fresh investigation, until detectives had obtained written permission from the fund.

Why did Scotland Yard even have to ask for this report, surely the fund should have handed it over at the very start of the review !
I wonder if anything else has been conveniently swept under the carpet for being "hypercritical" !

If the Met had to ask the authors for a copy, a question might be whether the the McCanns ever had a full copy to hand over.

The "hypercritical" aspects seem to be nothing more than what is in the files, which the Met would have been aware of anyway. 


AnneGuedes

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #286 on: October 27, 2013, 06:46:00 PM »

So to get things back on track, why haven't the Mccanns or their spokes person rebutted this article if it is in fact untrue?
It's not always smart to deny what is after all as vague as a rumour. I remember the forced, broken, jemmied shutters. There was a denying on the 4th end of the day by John Hill. But for months tabloids repeated that rumour.
Naughty journalists would now relate this refusal of disclosure, supported by lawyers, to the refusal of reconstruction, also supported by lawyers.

Offline Davel

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #287 on: October 27, 2013, 06:46:08 PM »
If the Met had to ask the authors for a copy, a question might be whether the the McCanns ever had a full copy to hand over.

The "hypercritical" aspects seem to be nothing more than what is in the files, which the Met would have been aware of anyway.

how did the met know that authors had a copy ...who told them
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Offline imustpointout

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #288 on: October 27, 2013, 06:47:57 PM »
Did the bitter PIs ever get their money?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #289 on: October 27, 2013, 06:55:28 PM »
A recent article from the Telegraph regarding the efits :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10391348/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

" Instead, detectives are now focusing their efforts on a second man seen carrying a child towards the beach just minutes before Kate McCann went to check on Madeleine. An Irishman, Martin Smith, and his wife reported seeing him at the time. Their e-fits, which have only now been released, were originally produced by a private detective agency which was hired by the McCanns in 2008 when they became dissatisfied with the Portuguese police inquiry.

At the time, though, it was not published, partly because Portuguese detectives thought the other theory more viable, and partly because Mr Smith himself said he thought the man he had seen looked like Gerry McCann, whom several other witnesses had already said had been at the restaurant table at that point.

Now the later sighting is being taken seriously. While DCI Redwood stressed that it could be a yet another innocent holidaymaker carrying his child, it is the key public line of inquiry, if only because of the absence of anything else. Yet it also means that what could be the key e-fit lay under wraps for several years. "It was passed to the Portuguese police at the time and for whatever reason they decided to nothing whatsoever with it," said one source close to the McCann investigation. "It was then handed to the Met two years ago, and they have now deemed it worthy of publication, but frankly it should have been out there a long time ago."
« Last Edit: October 27, 2013, 07:02:05 PM by Faithlilly »

Offline Davel

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #290 on: October 27, 2013, 07:01:12 PM »
A recent article from the Telegraph regarding the efits :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10391348/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

" Instead, detectives are now focusing their efforts on a second man seen carrying a child towards the beach just minutes before Kate McCann went to check on Madeleine. An Irishman, Martin Smith, and his wife reported seeing him at the time. Their e-fits, which have only now been released, were originally produced by a private detective agency which was hired by the McCanns in 2008 when they became dissatisfied with the Portuguese police inquiry.
At the time, though, it was not published, partly because Portuguese detectives thought the other theory more viable, and partly because Mr Smith himself said he thought the man he had seen looked like Gerry McCann, whom several other witnesses had already said had been at the restaurant table at that point.
Now the later sighting is being taken seriously. While DCI Redwood stressed that it could be a yet another innocent holidaymaker carrying his child, it is the key public line of inquiry, if only because of the absence of anything else. Yet it also means that what could be the key e-fit lay under wraps for several years. "It was passed to the Portuguese police at the time and for whatever reason they decided to nothing whatsoever with it," said one source close to the McCann investigation. "It was then handed to the Met two years ago, and they have now deemed it worthy of publication, but frankly it should have been out there a long time ago."

So this article is saying the e fit was handed to the Portuguese police at the time.....  and then  handed to the met two years ago..which article do we believe
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Lyall

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #291 on: October 27, 2013, 07:01:35 PM »
A recent article from the Telegraph regarding the efits :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10391348/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

" Instead, detectives are now focusing their efforts on a second man seen carrying a child towards the beach just minutes before Kate McCann went to check on Madeleine. An Irishman, Martin Smith, and his wife reported seeing him at the time. Their e-fits, which have only now been released, were originally produced by a private detective agency which was hired by the McCanns in 2008 when they became dissatisfied with the Portuguese police inquiry.
At the time, though, it was not published, partly because Portuguese detectives thought the other theory more viable, and partly because Mr Smith himself said he thought the man he had seen looked like Gerry McCann, whom several other witnesses had already said had been at the restaurant table at that point.
Now the later sighting is being taken seriously. While DCI Redwood stressed that it could be a yet another innocent holidaymaker carrying his child, it is the key public line of inquiry, if only because of the absence of anything else. Yet it also means that what could be the key e-fit lay under wraps for several years. "It was passed to the Portuguese police at the time and for whatever reason they decided to nothing whatsoever with it," said one source close to the McCann investigation. "It was then handed to the Met two years ago, and they have now deemed it worthy of publication, but frankly it should have been out there a long time ago."

That may well be a 'family source' with One Foot in the Mouth.

Offline Apostate

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #292 on: October 27, 2013, 07:05:43 PM »
That may well be a 'family source' with One Foot in the Mouth.

They didn't complain at the time. I'm interested in why the McCanns didn't publicise it - after all they showed e-fits/impressions of everyone else.

Offline imustpointout

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #293 on: October 27, 2013, 07:10:40 PM »
They didn't complain at the time. I'm interested in why the McCanns didn't publicise it - after all they showed e-fits/impressions of everyone else.

I notice your bold indignation from earlier today has mellowed.

Offline imustpointout

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #294 on: October 27, 2013, 07:12:01 PM »
I believe a lot of people will have a lot of egg on their faces today - breakfast egg on the day that another hour has been added to their blissful ignorance.

Lyall

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #295 on: October 27, 2013, 07:16:11 PM »
They didn't complain at the time. I'm interested in why the McCanns didn't publicise it - after all they showed e-fits/impressions of everyone else.

You're right. For some reason 10pm is a time they didn't want people to think about. >@@(*&)

Cariad

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Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #296 on: October 27, 2013, 07:18:07 PM »
cariad said

As I posted the original unedited article - would you like to amend your post and apologise.

Nope. seriously, do you guys purposely misunderstand everything?

I'm bored of the lets deflect game.

Can we play, why have the Mccanns suppressed important information for 5 years now please?

Offline Benice

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #297 on: October 27, 2013, 07:18:38 PM »
Quote from the full article.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
End quote

I'v never heard that claim made before.   Interesting.


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Offline Apostate

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #298 on: October 27, 2013, 07:20:33 PM »
Smith
You're right. For some reason 10pm is a time they didn't want people to think about. >@@(*&)

To misquote Fawlty Towers: "Don't mention the Smith sighting!"

We all know why it worries them - but to have laboured bundleman for 5 years when their own guys told them to drop it. Incredible. 5 years wasted. More than ever the "search" seems insincere.

Offline Davel

Re: Sunday Times claim that Smith e-fits had been suppressed for 5 years.
« Reply #299 on: October 27, 2013, 07:23:40 PM »
Nope. seriously, do you guys purposely misunderstand everything?

I'm bored of the lets deflect game.

Can we play, why have the Mccanns suppressed important information for 5 years now please?

according to the telegraph article several posts above..no..so you believe  what you want to believe but please don't post it as fact
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