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Offline Carana

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #210 on: February 13, 2016, 04:02:38 PM »
Perhaps he wanted to hear what Martin Smith had to say before deciding whether or not he required statements from other family members.

Erm... I suppose that's one interpretation... ;)

Offline Carana

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #211 on: February 13, 2016, 04:10:06 PM »
Perhaps he wanted to hear what Martin Smith had to say before deciding whether or not he required statements from other family members.
If that had been the case, what would the point have been? Why would he have got Martin all the way over to reiterate his own personal view and then to ask what the other family members felt?

Why didn't he simply do what Rebelo did and got the Garda to clarify it before dragging one family member over (again), coincidentally the only one who was prepared to make a statement?

Offline Carana

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #212 on: February 13, 2016, 04:15:01 PM »
Thanks for that, Carana.

Hmm.  So why didn't Amaral want to interview the rest of The Smith Family?

Perhaps he hoped that no one would notice that the other family members disagreed and that his wife didn't want to make a new statement? And even she can't have been that convinced, otherwise why wouldn't she have wanted to do so?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #213 on: February 13, 2016, 04:24:33 PM »
Perhaps he hoped that no one would notice that the other family members disagreed and that his wife didn't want to make a new statement? And even she can't have been that convinced, otherwise why wouldn't she have wanted to do so?

Onto the disagree myth again?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Online misty

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #214 on: February 13, 2016, 04:37:15 PM »
Check my earlier post, Misty. It seems that Martin was the only one Amaral wanted over.

I look at it this way, Carana.
It didn't matter to MS on the 4th May when he learned a child had gone missing & he had apparently had a fleeting memory of seeing a man + female child on deserted streets the previous night within half an hour of the reported disappearance.
It didn't matter to MS during the next 5/6 days of his holiday when Madeleine's face was on flyers & posters all over Luz.
It didn't matter to MS while other holidaymakers & the police were swarming the resort searching
It didn't matter to MS when the PJ announced Madeleine may have been carried away by a male.
It didn't matter  to MS when the photo of the pyjamas was released.
The child didn't matter. Why not?
It was only when the male seen carrying a child away from 5a was being touted as RM that it all became important. The question remains - what connection did he suddenly think the man/child he may have seen heading toward the beach actually had with the man alleged to be RM? There was NO description of clothing, etc in the public domain until the 25th.


GM's picture was all over the newspapers & the TV. I wonder why that didn't prompt a 60-80% certainty recollection at the same time as the 100% certainty the man wasn't RM?

ferryman

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Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #215 on: February 13, 2016, 04:40:54 PM »
Onto the disagree myth again?

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After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife.

(Martin Smith)

Offline Carana

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #216 on: February 13, 2016, 04:48:07 PM »
Onto the disagree myth again?

What disagree myth? The fact that other family members didn't agree is in the files.

Offline Carana

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #217 on: February 13, 2016, 04:51:54 PM »
(Martin Smith)

Thank you for digging that out, FM.

Offline Carana

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #218 on: February 13, 2016, 04:53:40 PM »
I look at it this way, Carana.
It didn't matter to MS on the 4th May when he learned a child had gone missing & he had apparently had a fleeting memory of seeing a man + female child on deserted streets the previous night within half an hour of the reported disappearance.
It didn't matter to MS during the next 5/6 days of his holiday when Madeleine's face was on flyers & posters all over Luz.
It didn't matter to MS while other holidaymakers & the police were swarming the resort searching
It didn't matter to MS when the PJ announced Madeleine may have been carried away by a male.
It didn't matter  to MS when the photo of the pyjamas was released.
The child didn't matter. Why not?
It was only when the male seen carrying a child away from 5a was being touted as RM that it all became important. The question remains - what connection did he suddenly think the man/child he may have seen heading toward the beach actually had with the man alleged to be RM? There was NO description of clothing, etc in the public domain until the 25th.


GM's picture was all over the newspapers & the TV. I wonder why that didn't prompt a 60-80% certainty recollection at the same time as the 100% certainty the man wasn't RM?

When did MS and the rest of the family go back to Ireland?

ETA: And how did they travel? By plane, by car? Did they stop en route?

Perhaps all the rest of the family did stay on in PdL for quite some time, but perhaps not.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2016, 05:38:30 PM by Carana »

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #219 on: February 13, 2016, 04:56:09 PM »
How dare Mrs. Smith refuse to answer questions.  Although I can't say I blame her.  Heaven knows what Amaral would have done with her confusion.

Offline jassi

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #220 on: February 13, 2016, 04:59:03 PM »
How dare Mrs. Smith refuse to answer questions.  Although I can't say I blame her.  Heaven knows what Amaral would have done with her confusion.

Which questions did she refuse to answer ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #221 on: February 13, 2016, 05:10:49 PM »
(Martin Smith)

No, if you can show the statements where the other members of the family say it wasn't Gerry I would be interested to see them.

MS thought with a reasonably level of probability that it was Gerry, other members of the family couldn't tell.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #222 on: February 13, 2016, 05:14:44 PM »
Which questions did she refuse to answer ?

What questions do you think he would have asked her?

Offline jassi

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #223 on: February 13, 2016, 05:30:02 PM »
What questions do you think he would have asked her?

That's not the answer to my question and I asked first   ?{)(**
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #224 on: February 13, 2016, 05:35:03 PM »
No, if you can show the statements where the other members of the family say it wasn't Gerry I would be interested to see them.

MS thought with a reasonably level of probability that it was Gerry, other members of the family couldn't tell.

We must clearly be interpreting this sentence differently, then:

"I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife."