Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?

[ferryman]

Why would she have any objection to making a statement saying she wasn't able to identify anyone in the ID parade as the man she saw on 3rd May - and giving her reasons why?

The only reason why she didn't make a statement is because when the PJ officer phoned in to relay the negative result of the ID to Amaral  - and to ask whether she needed to be brought in sign anything -  they were told  it wasn't necessary and to send her home.   And that's what they did.

AIMO

We are, of course, off-topic (never mind, it is established that Martin Smith recanted of the view that the man he and his family saw was Gerry) but Jane Tanner met Robert Murat en route to the van from where she would, later, attempt her 'sighting' (of the same man).

More than that, she says (in her rogatory statement) that at the exact moment she was (supposed) to make her (attempted) 'sighting', a car pulled out and blocked her view.

Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat.

And even if she had, so long as she did so in good faith and not maliciously, so what?

In exactly the same way, Martin Smith (very properly) was not taken to task for misidentifying the man he and his family saw as Gerry .l...

[G-Unit]

We are, of course, off-topic (never mind, it is established that Martin Smith recanted of the view that the man he and his family saw was Gerry) but Jane Tanner met Robert Murat en route to the van from where she would, later, attempt her 'sighting' (of the same man).

More than that, she says (in her rogatory statement) that at the exact moment she was (supposed) to make her (attempted) 'sighting', a car pulled out and blocked her view.

Jane Tanner did not identify Robert Murat.

And even if she had, so long as she did so in good faith and not maliciously, so what?

In exactly the same way, Martin Smith (very properly) was not taken to task for misidentifying the man he and his family saw as Gerry .l...

Only in your mind ferryman. Nothing has emerged which anyone but you would see as evidence that Mr Smith changed his mind. 

[ferryman]

Only in your mind ferryman. Nothing has emerged which anyone but you would see as evidence that Mr Smith changed his mind. 

For some reason, John seems to have deleted his post, and I can't find the article he linked to (from the Telegraph). 

Martin Smith no longer believes he saw Gerry.

[G-Unit]

For some reason, John seems to have deleted his post, and I can't find the article he linked to (from the Telegraph). 

Martin Smith no longer believes he saw Gerry.

Until you can find a verbatim quote I suggest you stop repeating your unsupported belief as if it was a fact.

[faithlilly]

Until you can find a verbatim quote I suggest you stop repeating your unsupported belief as if it was a fact.

The world loves a trier G 

[G-Unit]

The world loves a trier G 

I don't care how many times ferryman repeats his opinion, I will keep replying with the truth. That's a promise so he'd better find his verbatim quote or he might as well give up now.

[ferryman]

I'm sure John has his reasons for removing it ....

[faithlilly]

I'm sure John has his reasons for removing it ....

Perhaps you can PM John and get back to us ?

[John]

For some reason, John seems to have deleted his post, and I can't find the article he linked to (from the Telegraph). 

Martin Smith no longer believes he saw Gerry.

I have been a bit busy with new lambs recently so am not up to date with the debates. Not sure which post you are referring to ferryman.  The only reference I can recall was a newspaper story which stated Martin Smith no longer believed the man he saw was Gerald McCann.  As far as I am aware Mr Smith has avoided going on the record in respect of what he now does or does not believe.


ETA

The comment was in The Sunday Times on 28 October 2013 and stated...

"Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim..."

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96212#msg96212

[faithlilly]

I have been a bit busy with new lambs recently so am not up to date with the debates. Not sure which post you are referring to ferryman.  The only reference I can recall was a newspaper story which stated Martin Smith no longer believed the man he saw was Gerald McCann.  As far as I am aware Mr Smith has avoided going on the record in respect of what he now does or does not believe.


ETA

The comment was in The Sunday Times on 28 October 2013 and stated...

"Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim..."

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96212#msg96212

Thank you John. Just as I thought.

[G-Unit]

I have been a bit busy with new lambs recently so am not up to date with the debates. Not sure which post you are referring to ferryman.  The only reference I can recall was a newspaper story which stated Martin Smith no longer believed the man he saw was Gerald McCann.  As far as I am aware Mr Smith has avoided going on the record in respect of what he now does or does not believe.


ETA

The comment was in The Sunday Times on 28 October 2013 and stated...

"Months after the disappearance and after seeing Gerry McCann on TV, Mr Smith told police that he thought the man he saw carrying a girl around Madeleine’s age at the very time she went missing reminded him of Gerry McCann himself.

Mr Smith has reportedly since withdrawn that claim..."

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96212#msg96212

Thanks for digging out what you posted and good luck with the lambs; hard work that is.

[ferryman]

Thank you John. Just as I thought.

That is, indeed, the article that confirms he no longer believes he saw Gerry.

I thought it was from The Telegraph.

It was obviously The Times.

All ways up, the debate is dead.

Martin Smith no longer believes he saw Gerry.

[G-Unit]

That is, indeed, the article that confirms he no longer believes he saw Gerry.

I thought it was from The Telegraph.

It was obviously The Times.

All ways up, the debate is dead.

Martin Smith no longer believes he saw Gerry.

It's not a quote. It's not verbatim. You may believe unsupported assertions in newspapers, some of us are more discerning. There is no credible evidence that Martin Smith changed his mind about who he saw on 3rd May 2007.

[ferryman]

It's not a quote. It's not verbatim. You may believe unsupported assertions in newspapers, some of us are more discerning. There is no credible evidence that Martin Smith changed his mind about who he saw on 3rd May 2007.

Stack it against what the files said

On January 30-31 (not sure which) 2008, Mr Smith expressed a tentative view that the man he and his family saw might have been Gerry.

He tempered that (and demonstrated his bona fide) by reflecting the views of all his family with him that night, and all his children disagreed with him (about the man being Gerry), including his daughter Aofe, along with her father, the most observant witness of what the family all saw that night.

Mr Smith also said he was asked to produce an efit. 

He refused.

He would have.

He believed he'd seen Gerry

Gerry doesn't need to be identified.

The files then being released (and the innocence of the McCanns being made plain) is far the most obvious catalyst of Mr Smith's subsequent change of mind, and willingness, after all, to produce an efit.

The logic is inescapable. 

[G-Unit]

Stack it against what the files said

On January 30-31 (not sure which) 2008, Mr Smith expressed a tentative view that the man he and his family saw might have been Gerry.

He tempered that (and demonstrated his bona fide) by reflecting the views of all his family with him that night, and all his children disagreed with him (about the man being Gerry), including his daughter Aofe, along with her father, the most observant witness of what the family all saw that night.

Mr Smith also said he was asked to produce an efit. 

He refused.

He would have.

He believed he'd seen Gerry

Gerry doesn't need to be identified.

The files then being released (and the innocence of the McCanns being made plain) is far the most obvious catalyst of Mr Smith's subsequent change of mind, and willingness, after all, to produce an efit.

The logic is inescapable.

Pure conjecture you mean.

Rumour said the McCann's PI's wanted to speak to him in early January 2008. During his final interview (30th January) he said he'd been contacted by Brian Kennedy and had refused a meeting.

Now detectives hired by Madeleine's parents want to speak to Martin Smith and his family.
Daily Mirror
 
Paul Byrne in Praia da Luz
3/01/2008
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Oakley were working for the McCanns from April to September 2008. When the investigators did the e-fits with Mr Smith is not known.