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Offline jassi

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #585 on: February 29, 2016, 01:03:42 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on February 29, 2016, 12:42:51 PM
The McCanns couldn't bring a Criminal Case.  The Police would have to do that.

How would the police know there was a fraud case to investigate unless it had been reported to them?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #586 on: February 29, 2016, 01:07:09 PM »
Quote from: jassi on February 29, 2016, 01:03:42 PM
How would the police know there was a fraud case to investigate unless it had been reported to them?

Perhaps the police were too busy trying to catch him for defrauding a lot of other people for far more money.

Who gets first go then?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #587 on: February 29, 2016, 01:15:43 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on February 29, 2016, 01:03:23 PM
There's still plenty of time for that.

Trying to recoup anything at all from Halligen would merely be throwing good money after bad and they have more to worry them than tilting at this particular windmill.
Just another opportunity to get the boot into the parents of a missing child; but one which has even less credibility than most of the others.

**Snip
The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "Oakley International was contracted to help with the search for Madeleine. Due diligence was carried out at every stage and payment was only made for work properly carried out. It was only towards the end of the six-month contract that question marks were raised about delivery in some areas and the contract was terminated."

The McCanns did not contact the police about Halligen, who visited their home, but his behaviour aroused suspicions at an early stage among the couple and their advisers.

Oakley International secured the contract from the Find Madeleine Fund to monitor the phone hotline, sift through CCTV footage of possible sightings and carry out investigative work.

However, it was terminated after the British double-glazing millionaire Brian Kennedy, who has underwritten the fund's work, raised concerns. Documents reportedly show that Halligen's company was withdrawing large amounts of money for personal use.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/22/fbi-searchfor-madeleine-mccann-detective
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #588 on: February 29, 2016, 01:48:45 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on February 29, 2016, 01:15:43 PM
Trying to recoup anything at all from Halligen would merely be throwing good money after bad and they have more to worry them than tilting at this particular windmill.
Just another opportunity to get the boot into the parents of a missing child; but one which has even less credibility than most of the others.

**Snip
The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "Oakley International was contracted to help with the search for Madeleine. Due diligence was carried out at every stage and payment was only made for work properly carried out. It was only towards the end of the six-month contract that question marks were raised about delivery in some areas and the contract was terminated."

The McCanns did not contact the police about Halligen, who visited their home, but his behaviour aroused suspicions at an early stage among the couple and their advisers.

Oakley International secured the contract from the Find Madeleine Fund to monitor the phone hotline, sift through CCTV footage of possible sightings and carry out investigative work.

However, it was terminated after the British double-glazing millionaire Brian Kennedy, who has underwritten the fund's work, raised concerns. Documents reportedly show that Halligen's company was withdrawing large amounts of money for personal use.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/22/fbi-searchfor-madeleine-mccann-detective

'Due diligence'.

By whom exactly ?

The mccanns employed, with the assistance of Mitchell and Kennedy, a bunch of incompetents.

That was one of the few things Hall got right on his first set of videos.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #589 on: February 29, 2016, 02:04:22 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on February 29, 2016, 01:03:23 PM
There's still plenty of time for that.

The sooner the better I would have thought.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #590 on: February 29, 2016, 02:07:27 PM »
"The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "Oakley International was contracted to help with the search for Madeleine. Due diligence was carried out at every stage and payment was only made for work properly carried out. It was only towards the end of the six-month contract that question marks were raised about delivery in some areas and the contract was terminated."


Right about the time the report and efits were given to them would be my guess.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #591 on: February 29, 2016, 02:24:45 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on February 29, 2016, 02:07:27 PM
"The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "Oakley International was contracted to help with the search for Madeleine. Due diligence was carried out at every stage and payment was only made for work properly carried out. It was only towards the end of the six-month contract that question marks were raised about delivery in some areas and the contract was terminated."


Right about the time the report and efits were given to them would be my guess.

No. contract terminated September 2008.
Report and e-fits handed over 17th November 2008, and not by Halligen.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #592 on: February 29, 2016, 03:19:28 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on February 29, 2016, 02:24:45 PM
No. contract terminated September 2008.
Report and e-fits handed over 17th November 2008, and not by Halligen.

Thanks for that info G. I take it though that the McCanns would have an inkling in which way the wind was blowing.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

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Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #593 on: February 29, 2016, 03:37:08 PM »
An efit a man who might, very well, be Madeleine's abductor became the centrepiece of the second, joint, enquiry into Madeleine's abduction.

Nothing else to say.
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Offline jassi

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #594 on: February 29, 2016, 03:38:52 PM »
Quote from: ferryman on February 29, 2016, 03:37:08 PM
An efit a man who might, very well, be Madeleine's abductor became the centrepiece of the second, joint, enquiry into Madeleine's abduction.

Nothing else to say.

Other than that it does not appear to have delivered any abductor.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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ferryman

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Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #595 on: February 29, 2016, 03:40:33 PM »
Quote from: jassi on February 29, 2016, 03:38:52 PM
Other than that it does not appear to have delivered any abductor.

It, perhaps, slipped your notice that the enquiry is not complete, yet.
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Offline jassi

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #596 on: February 29, 2016, 03:44:11 PM »
Quote from: ferryman on February 29, 2016, 03:40:33 PM
It, perhaps, slipped your notice that the enquiry is not complete, yet.

Staff reduced to 4 now I believe, so not likely to progress much further.
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #597 on: February 29, 2016, 03:50:03 PM »
Quote from: jassi on February 29, 2016, 03:44:11 PM
Staff reduced to 4 now I believe, so not likely to progress much further.

More likely they know what they are doing now that the ground work has been done.
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Offline jassi

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #598 on: February 29, 2016, 03:52:09 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on February 29, 2016, 03:50:03 PM
More likely they know what they are doing now that the ground work has been done.

I very much doubt it , but we shall see  in the fullness , provided we all live long enough.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?
« Reply #599 on: March 25, 2016, 12:20:14 PM »
" The Yard announced it was looking into possible links between Madeleine’s disappearance and bogus charity collectors who were knocking on doors in Praia da Luz at the time. Between 3.30pm and 5.30pm on the day in question there were four separate sightings of men who said they were collecting money for an orphanage. British detectives believe men whose photofits they released in 2013 may have been engaged in reconnaissance for a pre-planned abduction or for burglaries, in keeping with the theory that Madeleine may have been killed by a burglar she disturbed. "

Sometimes a pic is better than 10,000 words ... http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2016/03/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-charity.html

I have missed two more sightings of May 3, according to SY. Do you have a source to locate them? Many thanks.
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